hisamazinggrace
Deutoronomic Lawgiver
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Post by hisamazinggrace on Jan 14, 2018 22:55:24 GMT
I have a question about the rapture. In Luke 34-35-36 it says 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. So my question is will the rapture be in the night?
Because some place in the Bible is says some thing about as a thief in the night.
Thanks.
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Post by morningstar on Jan 15, 2018 19:26:38 GMT
Good question hisamazinggrace . Jack Kelly gives a good answer to this. I hope this helps.
Gracethrufaith Ministries:
Question:I was wondering about your article Confirming the Sequence of End Times, I understand the rapture has to happen before the Ezekiel battle, but does it happen before the Psalm 83 battle or in between it and the Ezekiel battle?
And I know this is totally off the wall, but is it the rapture or his second coming that is akin to a Jewish wedding? Where he comes at night to surprise his bride? If he comes at night, which night: Jerusalem’s night or somewhere else in the world?
Answer: I think it’s likely that we’ll still be here for the Psalm 83 battle but no one knows for sure.
The Jewish wedding customs model the rapture. After all we are the bride. And the phrase “like a thief in the night” doesn’t mean He’ll necessarily come at night time, but suddenly, stealthily, without warning, like a thief would. Besides, no matter what time He comes for us it can’t be night time everywhere in the world.
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hisamazinggrace
Deutoronomic Lawgiver
Not pushing up daisies
Posts: 400
Favourite Verse: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
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Post by hisamazinggrace on Jan 15, 2018 19:38:36 GMT
Thank you very much Morning star!
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Post by Gr8tful on Jun 23, 2018 17:59:31 GMT
Good question hisamazinggrace! Good answer MS! That scripture does bring about questions, such as the first few times I read it. I wondered if it was saying 50% of the people were going and 50% were going to be left behind since clearly 2 women standing there, one goes, one stays, same w/the men. Took awhile to understand that wasn't the point of the scripture...it was an example.
Also, I wondered the same thing also re: If he comes at night, which night: Jerusalem’s night or somewhere else in the world? Since we know that it won't be night time every where, unless as one of the articles MS posted said, maybe darkness will be used all over as a punishment or judgement? Such as when He made it pitch black as one of the plaques in Egypt. I do think it will be Jerusalem time tho.
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Post by Benjamin on Jul 6, 2018 12:15:50 GMT
I'd suggest that those verses are actually not about the Rapture.
They're about the Second Coming.
Jesus says this:
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains..."
...and then:
"“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
This isn't the rapture - it's an ingathering by angels (which is what we see in Revelation 14). This ingathering is for the purpose of judgment and protection - judgment on the nations, protection for those who have placed their faith in Christ and *survived* the Great Tribulation.
You can see this in the verses that follow, which are often ignored as the broader context:
“Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
The judgment does not occur at the rapture - but these verses are linked with those you've quoted.
Rather, the judgment occurs at the ingathering of the saints immediately prior to Christ's arrival on the Mount of Olives at the end of the Tribulation. And it is there that He will exercise the judgment of verses 50-51 above.
Hopefully that makes sense!
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