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Post by peaceinthestorm on Jun 20, 2014 17:59:08 GMT
I just noticed in Luke 12:35-36 what it says. "Waiting for the master when he returns from the wedding feast." & "keeping the lamps lit" and "open the door to him when he comes and knocks". I never noticed in that verse the part about the master returning from the wedding feast. To return from a wedding feast there must first be a wedding. How can there be a wedding without a bride? In Israel, at that time, the groom came to get the bride.
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Post by Leeza on Jun 20, 2014 19:33:19 GMT
Peaceinthestorm, I agree, I believe this is a rapture verse. Like you said, how can there be a wedding supper without the bride?
My impression of that parable is in Luke 37, which is in the very next verse:
37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.
To me, I think it's the Lord encouraging us to be ready for His return, and to have our hearts and lives right with Him. Not because we will miss the rapture if we aren't, but we will lose rewards and be ashamed at His coming. (Luke 12: 42-46 and 1 John 2:28)
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Post by shiloh on Jun 21, 2014 4:29:12 GMT
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the view that the Lord is speaking to the Bride here. We are saved by grace through faith alone. The church is already married to Christ at this point. I believe these verses are directed toward the Jews, just as the parable of the ten virgins is directed to the Jews and not the church.
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Post by Leeza on Jun 21, 2014 9:49:01 GMT
Oh my goodness, Shiloh, when I read my post again, I realized that you are right about that. For some reason, I was thinking that the Lord was talking to backslidden Christians!
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Post by Benjamin on Jun 21, 2014 10:20:43 GMT
It *is* still a Rapture verse, in that the verse itself only makes sense if the implication of the Rapture is understood.
Why would the groom return from the wedding to collect the bride?
Unless the rapture has occurred first, and the groom comes back WITH his bride, then it makes sense that those waiting for His return should be ready!
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Post by shiloh on Jun 21, 2014 10:40:07 GMT
That was very cagey and diplomatic of you, Benjamin. I know what you're saying which brings us back to the point EPD was making to begin with. I compare it to the Ten Virgins or the Ten Bridesmaids (depending on the version of the bible one reads). Many claim that the virgins/bridesmaids are the church but they are not. The bride isn't invited to her own wedding.
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Post by peaceinthestorm on Jun 21, 2014 12:47:12 GMT
Yes, That is what I thought was so interesting about this verse. Jesus is talking about after the rapture and He puts mention of both the "keeping oil in the lamp" and "knocking at the door". It just kind of ties in what I have been relearning about these other scriptures. And I liked that it is another rapture verse.
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