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Post by shiloh on Dec 29, 2014 17:28:49 GMT
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Post by Leeza on Dec 29, 2014 20:17:54 GMT
Interesting article, Shiloh. I would like to get Benjamin's take on this one, especially since he is into archaeology. I don't know much about archaeology or geography to make an educated response about this article.
I did find this interesting:
This, too:
Are these arguments valid enough to actually say that Jesus's birth place was in Bethlehem of Galilee? I don't know. What is your take on this?
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Post by shiloh on Dec 29, 2014 20:47:32 GMT
I'm not sure I believe this but I would also like to hear Benjamin's take on this.
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Post by peaceinthestorm on Dec 29, 2014 22:10:56 GMT
I didn't even know that there were two Bethlehems.
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Post by shiloh on Dec 29, 2014 22:35:06 GMT
I didn't either, Peace. We got one here in Ohio.
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Post by Benjamin on Dec 30, 2014 0:11:25 GMT
Nope. It was "Bethlehem Ephratah", which is to the South of Jerusalem. It's also "the City of David", which is again that same location - and it's tied in with Rachel, who "weeps because her children are no more" - and Rachel was buried in that very place (Bethlehem Ephratah). This archaeologist clearly hasn't read the Bible closely enough! Micah 5:2:
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BethlehemThe other Bethlehem doesn't bear this name, and isn't in Judah. This position just isn't defensible. |
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Post by shiloh on Dec 30, 2014 0:20:04 GMT
We KNEW you'd come through, Benjamin.  |
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Post by Leeza on Dec 30, 2014 1:02:41 GMT
We KNEW you'd come through, Benjamin. Thanks, Benjamin.  |
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Post by Benjamin on Dec 30, 2014 3:27:36 GMT
You can also see the history of all of this in the book of Ruth.
Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Bethlehem in Judah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he, and his wife, and his two sons.
2 And the name of the man was Elimelech, and the name of his wife Naomi, and the name of his two sons Mahlon and Chilion, Ephrathites of Bethlehem in Judah. And they came into the country of Moab, and continued there.
...see that?
Ephrathites.
Ruth and Boaz, and that entire story, takes place in the fields outside of Bethlehem Ephratah.
The threshing floor (in which Ruth lies down at Boaz' feet) is purchased by David (their great-grandson!) at a later date (2 Samuel 24:24), upon which he builds an altar. It is suggested by some scholars that this is also where Abraham met Melchizedek, and thus foreshadows the coming of Christ, both as prophet, priest and king, and as the descendant of David, and as the seed of Abraham.
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