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Post by shiloh on Dec 30, 2014 9:40:16 GMT
I have a nagging question that I keep forgetting to ask. I know the term 'sea' in the Bible usually refers to a sea of people. But what does it mean in Rev. 20:13 "The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done." and in Rev. 1:21 "Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea." Are these verses speaking of a sea of people or as in a literal sea? My guess is that it is both but that would be sad if there were no longer any actual seas as we know them and no sea life. No dolphins? No penguins? No fish? No starfish? No seahorses? Okay. I could do without the sharks and some of the other stuff there like eels and octopi (is that the correct plural of octopus?).
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Post by Benjamin on Dec 30, 2014 11:17:25 GMT
There will still be bodies of water, and still be oceans - this verse uses the word 'sea' in the context of the post-flood world, in which most of the earth is covered in sea. On the new earth, things will be restored to their original state, meaning that the rivers, oceans etc. will be significantly smaller, allowing for more land mass, more population, etc. This doesn't, however, mean that there will be no great bodies of water - simply that the earth itself won't be 2/3 oceans.
Look at it this way:
The earth is currently covered by ocean to the tune of 71%. Prior to the flood, and the 'great fountains of the deep' opening up, and the rains falling, and the canopy in the atmosphere opening... it would have been much, much less. That's what we're going back to.
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Post by shiloh on Dec 30, 2014 14:34:55 GMT
AH! Got it. Thanks, Benjamin.
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Post by Guest on Jan 1, 2015 6:22:32 GMT
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Post by Benjamin on Jan 1, 2015 6:41:09 GMT
...you think? I don't think he does: This doesn't necessarily mean that seas will disappear altogether - after all, in Genesis 1, God created the seas: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.This is the status quo prior to the flood, prior to the disappearance of the canopy of water around the earth (as Jack mentions, and as many Creation Scientists would agree, this vapor (currently around 2cm in depth, but prior to the flood, much greater) allowed for much larger plants and animals (e.g. dinosaurs) whose mass could not be supported today. The seas, however, did exist at this point - they were simply much smaller. Jack himself goes on to say that the River of life will flow down into the Dead Sea, bringing life to it. That's a little hard to do if the seas are all gone
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Post by shiloh on Jan 1, 2015 7:39:39 GMT
I don't think he disagrees either. He's saying the same thing Benjamin summed it up as.
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Post by Guest on Jan 1, 2015 21:16:05 GMT
I guess the key here point here is that it's all speculation. Apparently I was fooled by what Kelley said here:
sea noun \ˈsē\
: the salt water that covers much of the Earth's surface ( literary )
: a large body of water that is part of the sea or that has land around part or all of it
: an area of the sea Full Definition of SEA 1 a : a great body of salt water that covers much of the earth; broadly : the waters of the earth as distinguished from the land and air b : a body of salt water of second rank more or less landlocked <the Mediterranean sea> c : ocean d : an inland body of water —used especially for names of such bodies <the Caspian Sea> 2 a : surface motion on a large body of water or its direction; also : a large swell or wave —often used in plural <heavy seas> b : the disturbance of the ocean or other body of water due to the wind 3 : something likened to the sea especially in vastness <a sea of faces>
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Post by shiloh on Jan 1, 2015 22:32:22 GMT
I see what you're saying and I know there was a canopy that covered the earth and there was no rain. The dew watered everything. So, we'll have the earth restored to the way it was back in Adam and Eve's time but there will still be bodies of water....just not so much as there is now with the great vastness of oceans.
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