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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 20, 2015 21:25:27 GMT
I have always wondered about this. Job being a righteous man had to endure so much suffering! He lost just about everything including health but also his children all died! I know that he endured and was blessed 10 fold for it. He was even given more children. I've wondered when he lost his children you know he had to mourn. He had such love for his kids he prayed for them daily. I'm sure he and his wife's grief was unbearable! And missed those children the rest of their lives. All that he gained back from the testing couldn't have taken away their deep pain. I'm not questioning God at all, His ways are higher than my ways, but that just seems such a tragic thing. What are your thoughts regarding that?
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Post by elizabeth on Jan 20, 2015 22:42:16 GMT
I wonder if Job didn't come to just thank God for the time that he had with his children before they were taken from him. I think that's all we can do when a loved one dies; that's my reaction anyway. I've only lost one person at a time, not a whole family at once, like Job did, but you really don't have a choice but to accept the will of God.
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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 20, 2015 23:47:17 GMT
I know what you mean Elizabeth. But it would be very hard to accept something like that. Job was so faithful and dependent on the Lord that he very well may have done what you said. Praised and thank Him for that time. Thanks for your input!
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Post by elizabeth on Jan 20, 2015 23:58:52 GMT
It sounds terribly hard, doesn't it gr8tful, but somehow the Lord gives you the grace to accept it. That's what I found anyway.
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Post by Leeza on Jan 21, 2015 0:01:31 GMT
I don't know if Job realized it at the time, but his reaction and how he handled his loss for the glory of God would be an inspiration for generations to come. Job was one of the worst case scenarios when it came to suffering, but yet his love and trust for the Lord shines through. As it is written in Job 1:21 after he loses everything: "Naked came I from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord." That is faith in the starkest form. Christians throughout the generations have turned their backs on the Lord for a lot less.
I see Job is an example of faithfulness to the Lord. He loved the Lord for Himself, not for what the Lord could do for him. You could almost hear the pride in the Lord's voice when he told Satan in verse 8: "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and abstains from and shuns evil?" Job is an example to us on how we should respond when trials comes out way....trust in Him in the wilderness, even if we can't hear His voice and can't discern His Presence. The absence of the awareness of the Presence of the Lord was Job's greatest suffering. But yet he did not turn his back against the Lord, and he was rewarded greatly for his faithfulness in spite of the loss and pain in his life.
As if his pain wasn't enough, Job had 3 miserable "comforters" who laid the blame of his suffering on his doorstep, inferring that it was because of some secret sin that caused the Lord to punish him. Not only did Job feel the absence of the Lord's comfort, but he had his so-called friends who blamed him on top of it. The discouragement of Job must have been unbearable, even with his own wife telling him to "Curse God and die". But he still held onto his integrity and stayed faithful to the Lord in spite of everything.
I think that we can learn a lot from Job. And I think that is why the Lord chose him to go through this trial, because He knew that He would bring him through it and he would come forth as gold.
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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 21, 2015 1:07:37 GMT
Leeza that was beautiful; well said and I agree wholeheartedly!!! To have that kind of faith - wow!! Job 1:21 really applies. The last few chapters are so powerful when God answers. I'm sure it was very humbling!! Really appreciate your responses. Yes Elizabeth it does seem harsh. More than a man can bear! You're right about Him giving the grace. I think I've wondered about this becuz it's not mentioned much; it has a happy ending w/all that he was blessed with and I couldn't help but wonder about it. I've always heard it taught that Job was righteous went thru hard times and then he lived happily ever after. I would think but what about the loss of his kids! Surely he mourned them - no one ever mentions that. God is good and faithful. I imagine He was there to comfort Job. Thanks AGAIN!
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Post by shiloh on Jan 21, 2015 2:52:09 GMT
I'm not sure how to respond to this but I had wondered the same thing in the past, gr8tful. Wonderful replies, Liz and Leeza! I thought those were great. I remember someone once told me that her mother said to her, "When you think you have it bad, read the book of Job." Job never cursed God, even though his wife said in a nut shell, "You may as well curse God." Job didn't have any Scriptures to read. He just believed and was sorely vexed, of course. Point is, not only was everything restored to him 10 fold, but he was able to rejoice and laugh again. There are some things I find mysterious about the book of Job, no one really knows when it was written, many scholars believe it was written way before where it's placed n the bible. but above all, I wonder if the Lord gave him a personal revelation or visitation for reassurance to let him know his children were in a good place.
He will yet fill your mouth with laughter, and your lips with shouting. (Job 8:21)
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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 21, 2015 4:04:39 GMT
Shiloh you may be right about God visiting Job or a comforting Word or something to cause him to rejoice and laugh again. That makes sense. Either way the Lord healed Job's sorrow - only God could do that! His love is wonderful!
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Post by Leeza on Jan 21, 2015 6:09:42 GMT
I am sure that the Lord comforted Job in his sorrow. I think that Job was just so thrilled to have the Lord show up in that whirlwind after that dry spell he went through that He could have said anything to him...even that lecture that sounded like someone from the head of the National Audubon Society.....must have flood his soul with relief.
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Post by shiloh on Jan 21, 2015 6:36:42 GMT
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Post by shiloh on Jan 21, 2015 6:39:49 GMT
Don't laugh at me you guys but when I first looked at the title of this earlier, I was thinking, "I wonder if she's looking for advice on a job offer."
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Post by Leeza on Jan 21, 2015 7:26:21 GMT
Don't laugh at me you guys but when I first looked at the title of this earlier, I was thinking, "I wonder if she's looking for advice on a job offer." You too? Hahahahaha! I thought that myself at first.
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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 21, 2015 13:42:18 GMT
I tried to think of a way to word it so it wasn't confused w/work. But decided to leave it at that. I can sure see why you thought that!
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Post by shiloh on Jan 21, 2015 17:34:07 GMT
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought that but then it dawned it me before I clicked on this thread, I thought "Oh! She must be talking about Job from the Bible!" hahahahaha..I felt so stupid after that. Doesn't it seem like is name should be spelled Jobe?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:02:18 GMT
I always found this interesting:
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
Then we fast forward to Job 42:
12 So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.
14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch.
15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
I always wondered why God named his daughters and not his sons?
Could be a son is a son until he takes a wife,but a daughter is a daughter for the rest of his life?
Not only that,Job was convinced he would see all his children in the resurrection!
So now he had 14 sons and 6 daughters!
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Post by Leeza on Jan 21, 2015 18:14:41 GMT
Good catch about the names, dpr2014! Personally, I never would have noticed that. It's hard to tell whether those names are male or female.
Yeah, or maybe "Joey" or "Jo Jo", lol!
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Post by shiloh on Jan 21, 2015 19:04:28 GMT
That's a good question, dpr2014. I have to think on that. Maybe it is one of those mysteries that we will not know (about the sons) until we are all with the Lord. I think the Bible is so filled with mysteries but so interesting to think about. Maybe it was just between the LORD and Job? Maybe it wasn't necessary for it to be revealed to us while still on this earth? I believe all of our questions will be answered once we have Jesus' mind and we are like Him because of Him. I don't know. In the meantime, I'll have to 'ponder' upon that one.
Leeza, that is so funny. I bet they had nicknames for each other even then. I was laughing about those names you came up with. Do ya think they would have lovingly and affectionately called him "the Jobster"?
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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 21, 2015 21:47:04 GMT
Interesting question dpr2014. Hmmm. I thought like leeza how can we tell if their names are male or female? It's interesting that not only were their names mentioned but also tells how beautiful they were. hmmm...their names must mean something. Very good catch there dpr!
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Post by Leeza on Jan 22, 2015 1:35:52 GMT
Yes, I definitely think that names have a meaning. I think in the Bible, every male's name had a meaning....which was why so many of them were changed because of negative connotations to them, like Jacob to Israel, Abram to Abraham, Saul to Paul, etc.
Hahahaha! "The Jobster!" I like that!
Or what about "The Jobminator?"
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Post by shiloh on Jan 22, 2015 6:02:09 GMT
Yeah..hahahaa
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Post by Benjamin on Jan 22, 2015 7:51:34 GMT
14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch. 15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
I always wondered why God named his daughters and not his sons? The names are meaningful. The Rabbis have a name for these types of details. They call it a "remmez". Where you find a seemingly random or unnecessary detail in Scripture, it's taken as a sign to 'dig here', because that's where the treasure is! In this case: Jemima This name isn't from Hebrew. Scholars have argued over its potential origins, but the most likely candidate seems to be an Arabic word, meaning 'dove'. To a Hebrew audience, however, the name would have sounded most like 'mayim': מימ This name would evoke images of the Sea. If we think of an instance with doves and oceans, what do we come to? Noah! Perhaps Job saw his suffering as a similar experience of judgment and rebirth. Kezia This name means literally 'to cut off violently'. It refers most often to (wait for it) the severance of body parts. Now, with that said, Kezia is also the name of a sweet-smelling cinnamon powder, so it's possible that this has a dual meaning - speaking both of Job's suffering (through both his physical sores, and his emotional trial), and of the sweetness of redemption and restoration. Keren-HappuchThis name is a little more of a mystery than the others. There are two Hebrew roots to this - 'Qeren', meaning 'horn', and 'ha-puk', meaning 'antimony' (a black mineral). I've read a little bit on this one, and I actually disagree with the conclusions I've read. Some argue that this name means 'Horn of Antimony', meaning 'that which is made beautiful'. I disagree. I think the horn represents strength (as it so often does in Scripture), while the antimony represents ashes. I think that this name refers to Job's strength being brought low to the ashes - while the secondary meaning, 'that which is made beautiful', again speaks of Job's restoration.
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Post by Leeza on Jan 22, 2015 13:25:49 GMT
Good job, Benjamin! I knew that the names in the Bible had special meaning.
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Post by Gr8tful on Jan 22, 2015 17:05:50 GMT
Thanks for looking that up Benjamin, thought the answers were in the names. The Word is so amazing! Every little word has such depth and meaning in it!!
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Post by elizabeth on Jan 22, 2015 19:29:00 GMT
Benjamin, some of the information you find is astounding, you must hang out in the most obscure corners of the library. That's very interesting.
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Post by Leeza on Jan 22, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
That's true, Liz. I think even people who have graduated from seminary don't have that much knowledge of the scriptures!
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Post by shiloh on Feb 1, 2015 21:29:13 GMT
HAHA! That really gave me a visual. I mostly learn mine from reading over and over and online studies or from others but then I always go back and read what they've written as far as quoting the bible.
Leeza, don't ever change your avatar because I've gotten so used to reading your replies with a British accent in my head now and it makes me laugh.
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Post by Leeza on Feb 1, 2015 23:44:36 GMT
Hahahaha! Well, pip pip, cheerio, and all that sort of rot! Don't mean to sound cheeky, don't you know, but rather practicing my British accent!
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Post by Gr8tful on Feb 2, 2015 5:45:47 GMT
Leeza that's perfect!
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