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Post by elizabeth on Feb 8, 2015 6:30:47 GMT
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 8, 2015 6:38:50 GMT
I haven't watched this video, but I'm assuming it's regarding his book - in which case it will absolutely be worth watching!
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Post by shiloh on Feb 8, 2015 7:29:12 GMT
This was very interesting, Liz. I love archeology. I sure wish I could just photo shop that gold dome out of the pictures. I would love to get the book of Josephus. I think it's online though but he was present at the crucifixion of Christ. He was a great historian. I read a great article (I wish I would have saved it) about how they discovered the original Temple. It was awesome. You would not believe how much those marble stones weighed and they were huge! I have so many videos to watch in this section yet. |
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Post by elizabeth on Feb 8, 2015 7:34:38 GMT
I'm glad you liked it Shiloh, I found it very interesting too. Boy the ramifications if he is right, are mind boggling.
Yes Benjamin, it is regarding his book. They will be doing a Part 2 show with Bob Cornuke as well, I believe.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 8, 2015 8:09:10 GMT
Now that I've cleaned the kitchen at 2:30 a.m. I was thinking about that. I never thought the 3rd Temple would be built at the Western Wall.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 8, 2015 9:22:52 GMT
I would love to get the book of Josephus. I think it's online though but he was present at the crucifixion of Christ. ...that's not quite accurate. Josephus was born in 37ad. He did write about Jesus, but only very briefly: "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, [if it be lawful to call him a man;] for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher [of such men as receive the truth with pleasure,] He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. [He was the Christ.] And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; [for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him.] And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." The section in red there is contentious, and is not considered to be genuine. |
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Post by shiloh on Feb 9, 2015 8:52:46 GMT
I should have worded that better. I can see how that was mistaken. I didn't mean he was actually there at the crucifixion. I understand what you are saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:02:00 GMT
This was very interesting and he gave scripture that fits in with what he was saying. To me, the temple mount is too small for the Temple to be built there. I wonder if Netanyahu knows this also and allows the site to be dominated by the Arabs for that reason. At some point the people of Israel will need definite proof, in their eyes, to built a new temple anywhere else. Could this be part of the enforcement of a peace treaty?
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 10, 2015 20:37:07 GMT
There's an excellent video available via Amazon called "Jerusalem and the Lost Temple of the Jews".
I watched it last night, and it covers a lot of the same material as the video above, but in more depth.
Some of it is incredible (like the fact that Simon the Hasmonean tore down and flattened Mount Zion!), much of it incredibly logical (the 'Temple Mount' being the site of the Antonia Fortress), and all of it being solid historically.
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Post by elizabeth on Feb 10, 2015 22:20:51 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation, I ordered it. I can hardly wait to see it.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 10, 2015 23:51:48 GMT
The flattening of Mount Zion (and the use of that soil to fill in the surrounding valleys) was what blew my mind.
I had absolutely no idea that had ever occurred. It changes the perspective on a LOT of questions surrounding the Temple, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 17:39:49 GMT
I have not done any extensive research on this subject.So,I am not trying to discredit what Mr.Cornuke has stated,does anyone know if these particular verses were addressed? They may have been....I don't know?
2 Chronicles 5:
1 Thus all the work that Solomon made for the house of the Lord was finished: and Solomon brought in all the things that David his father had dedicated; and the silver, and the gold, and all the instruments, put he among the treasures of the house of God.
2 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord out of the city of David, which is Zion.
3 Wherefore all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto the king in the feast which was in the seventh month.
4 And all the elders of Israel came; and the Levites took up the ark.
5 And they brought up the ark, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that were in the tabernacle, these did the priests and the Levites bring up.
6 Also king Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel that were assembled unto him before the ark, sacrificed sheep and oxen, which could not be told nor numbered for multitude.
7 And the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord unto his place, to the oracle of the house, into the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubims:
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 12, 2015 21:09:36 GMT
Yes they are.
The key verses are all throughout Scripture, and Bob Cornuke mentions a lot of them (including one LIST, which he doesn't elaborate on much) - but the major point is that the tabernacle and temple were built above the Gihon Springs, in the City of David (which the Temple Mount is not located in), south of the Antonia Fortress, connected by two large colonnades.
In essence, the argument (supported by history and archaeology) is that the temple should be built around 600 yards SOUTH of the 'Temple Mount Complex'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 21:16:06 GMT
Forgive me, explain 2 Chronicles 5:2.......
2 Chronicles 5:2
Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord out of the city of David, which is Zion.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 13, 2015 0:00:02 GMT
It's hard to explain this without reference, so bear with me. This is the city of David as it's traditionally understood (you can see the 'Temple Mount') in the top of this image).  The suggestion is that the City of David, which is below the 'Temple Mount', was immediately south of the actual site of the Temple, which was between the City of David and the current 'Temple Mount'; that the temple adjoined the Antonia Fortress by two colonnades, and was accessible from the City of David to the south. You can actually see that there's nothing but a flat platform in the image above, which is almost exactly where the temple is suggested to have been. This is a representation of that layout - but bear in mind that this is rotated 90 degrees counter from the image above... so the colonnades leading to the temple would be coming out toward us in the image above.  The question regarding the 'City of David' is one of context - depending on whether you're talking about the city as it was in Solomon's Day, or in Herod's (by which time it had expanded), or in ours. By our day, the city of David is significantly larger, and includes the area in which the temple would have been standing - in large part due to the massive earthworks undertaken by Simon the Hasmonean in levelling Mount Zion and filling in the valleys below. So while the temple was not in the City of David in Solomon's Day (but immediately outside it), it was in Herod's, and would be in our own. |
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 5, 2015 8:23:23 GMT
Benjamin, I finally got and watched the Jerusalem Lost Temple Of The Jews DVD. Thank you for recommending it, I thought it was an excellent DVD. Like you said, it talks about the temple being where Cornuke says it is, but there's more details in the Jerusalem DVD. The bit about Mout Zion was astounding.
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