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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 14:59:53 GMT
I was just reading a post by Shiloh where someone said the Holy Spirit is working through the Pope. So my question is does the Holy Spirit ever leave a person or did that person never have the Holy Spirit? |
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Post by shiloh on Feb 14, 2015 15:15:03 GMT
We are indwelled by the Holy Spirit from the moment we believe in Jesus as our Savior. That happened at Pentecost.
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit.
"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.…" (John 14:16-17).
This sort of goes along with 'once saved always saved' (OSAS). This is only for the church age though, I believe. During the Tribulation, people will return to the Old Testament times and will have to live by the law. In the OT, people were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit, yet He led. Does that make any sense? |
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Post by Leeza on Feb 14, 2015 18:08:32 GMT
Great answer and scripture, Shiloh.  I remember when I was a young Christian and did not know the Bible well, I was backslidden at the time, and a Christian friend told me because of that, I had lost the Holy Spirit and suggested to me that I ask Jesus into my heart all over again. I felt like someone kicked me in the stomach because I thought that the Lord was speaking to me through her, and I burst into tears, terrified that I had both lost the Holy Spirit AND my salvation at the same time, and I started pleading with the Lord to have mercy upon me and asked Jesus into my heart again. My friend was right there when I said it, and started yelling, "LOUDER, SISTER!", I said it even louder because I wanted the Lord to hear me. The good thing about that horrible experience was that it drove to search the scriptures for myself, and when I came upon John 14: 16-17, a huge weight lifted off me. My heart goes out to young Christians in the Lord who hadn't read the Bible yet and are subject to those who would lead them into error. |
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Post by Gr8tful on Feb 14, 2015 21:26:26 GMT
Oh that's a shame that happened Leeza! Its so sad that there are those who believe the Lord is so angry and ready to reject them at the slightest error! My first few yrs as a Christian was with that type of teaching. I was always very aware of every thought that I had keeping it in check. When I began to realize and accept the love and compassion that He has it was so freeing! Nothing is too big or hard for Him! And His Spirit is always with us even when we fall. It is He who lifts us back up.
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Post by Leeza on Feb 14, 2015 22:19:54 GMT
That's right, Gr8tful. How could we ever have the ability to repent if we didn't have the Holy Spirit living inside of us, convicting us of our sin and wooing us back to the Lord? Even repentance is a gift from God.
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Post by Gr8tful on Feb 15, 2015 2:24:48 GMT
Exactly Leeza!  |
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Post by shiloh on Feb 15, 2015 2:47:58 GMT
Good points, Leeza and gr8tful.
That was a blatant lie from the enemy and I agree in the fact that I feel sorry for the younger ones and those who either don't read scripture or they misinterpret it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 12:06:08 GMT
That was insane Leeza. The shout it louder sister had me laughing. I know that we do not loose the Holy Spirit but was thinking more of someone who works for evil is they loose the Holy Spirit. From all your answers, I am assuming we do not.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 15, 2015 21:10:57 GMT
We could and absolutely would lose the Holy Spirit, if it were left up to us.
Thankfully, it isn't.
The Holy Spirit is the sign and seal of our salvation, and our salvation cannot be revoked... because it depends on Christ, and not upon us. As a direct result, we cannot lose that which has been given.
Scripture talks about those who have fallen away, despite having 'tasted of the Holy Spirit' - but it does so, speaking in a communal sense - that is, that they've been in His presence among believers, and have still left the faith. This is the only sense in which such a thing is possible. Those who are in Christ will never be lost to Him, never lost to the Holy Spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 21:57:11 GMT
Good explanation Benjamin.
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Post by Leeza on Feb 16, 2015 2:16:32 GMT
Great answer, Benjamin. If anyone walks away from the faith, they were never His to begin with. (1 John 2:19)
Yes, Rieom, it was ludicrous to tell me to shout louder....as if the Lord was deaf. I can see the humor in it now, but I was terrified at the time. Like you said, Shiloh, it was a lie from the enemy.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 16, 2015 5:25:04 GMT
Well, that was my point too. Was that person ever saved to begin with.? I believe one can be or has been in the presence of the Holy Spirit , but until we ask Jesus into our hearts as our Savior, we are not sealed with the Holy Spirit.
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Post by shelayne on Feb 19, 2015 21:41:57 GMT
I think our little finite minds have difficulty sometimes (OK, I am speaking for myself) grasping just how ENORMOUS God's Grace really is! It is overwhelming to me. If I think about it, I will cry, it just whooshes over me.
I think about Christ saying, "My Grace is sufficient" to Paul when he was asking him to remove the thorn from him. Oh, man. It really is. It is all we need.
Now, here come the waterworks.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 20, 2015 2:22:43 GMT
That's okay, Shel. I get the waterworks too when I really feel the Holy Spirit moving within me. Don't even have a second thought about that. There are times we rejoice in the Lord and for others that we weep with tears of joy. There are times of weeping and grief for others where we feel God's heart and we know it is the Holy Spirit. There are times when God's grace just overwhelms us and we weep in thankfulness. I've had those sweeping times that you are talking about too. The enormity of His abounding love and His pain for mankind is just so hard to fathom that we just weep when we feel the Holy Spirit moving within us. I think that's why I envision us all just laying there at the feet of Jesus and worshiping Him and our Father day and night when we are finally there. I don't believe for a second that we will ever get sick of that and it won't be like some kind of boring church service. It will be such an indescribable worship. |
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Post by shelayne on Feb 20, 2015 2:58:00 GMT
Joy unspeakable. YES please!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 13:24:15 GMT
I have both wept and had unimaginable joy. Truly a gift from God. We learn through both of these emotions how great our God is and so merciful.
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Post by Me on Feb 22, 2015 7:25:07 GMT
Once you have tasted the Goodness of God and received His Spirit how can we walk away from this? On teaching some of the hardest teachings about Christ's sacrifice to the crowds Jesus had many turn and walk away from Him. Jesus then turned to His disciples (the 12) as asked if they too would leave.
JN 6:67 "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.
JN 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God."
That is how I always felt about salvation. There is no where else for us to go to gain Eternal Life. How can we walk away from salvation??
Once you have tasted the Lord is good how can you then walk away??
As Benjamin said earlier "fortunately it is not up to us alone". Our wonderful God helps us in keeping our salvation. The Holy Spirit literally seals us until we can gain our salvation, our eternal life in God's kingdom.
1PE 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade--kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
Praise be to God for His love and grace and His keeping us in our salvation until we can claim it in Heaven. Thank You Father you never leave us NOR foresake us. Thank you for sealing us in your Spirit, amen.
EPH 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
2TI 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
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