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Post by Jerome L on Feb 19, 2015 21:45:07 GMT
In the State of what is described by The Church as Mortal Sin?
I am not asking you if you believe Mortal Sin is real. I want to know what percentage of people fit the perimeters of what The Church describes as Mortal Sin, so I can get an idea of how many of you are on the road to eternal Hell-Fire.
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Post by shelayne on Feb 19, 2015 22:08:36 GMT
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Wow! That is a great way to make friends! You crack me up.
Seriously, though. What do you mean by "The Church"? The Church is the body of Christ. And exactly what is "Mortal Sin"? All sin is mortal if someone dies without giving their life to Christ.
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Post by Gr8tful on Feb 19, 2015 22:40:38 GMT
I really feel sorry for you Jerome. I honestly and truly do. You are obviously looking for something and I pray you find it, in Him!
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Post by lily on Feb 20, 2015 0:26:29 GMT
I want to know what percentage of people fit the perimeters of what The Church describes as Mortal Sin, so I can get an idea of how many of you are on the road to eternal Hell-Fire. Ah, Jerome L. First of all, welcome to the forum. Perhaps you aren't aware of how antagonistic your words sound. It can be hard on the internet to say things in the manner you mean to say them. Are you asking because you are concerned? Your tone here doesn't convey concern. From what I have seen here, the regular posters I've met have accepted the free gift of salvation. They are on their way to eternal paradise with the Lord, whom they love. And speaking of love, please remember those who are lurking are watching to see how Christians behave. They will know we are Christians by our love. Discussion is important in the Christian faith. I have learned a lot here. I have also heard things that made me think, "I don't know about that. I need to study it and pray about it." What I should always try to do is to treat others with love. If I don't want something said to me, I should try not to say it to others. I hope that we can be friends in Christ. |
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Post by shiloh on Feb 20, 2015 2:01:30 GMT
Having been raised in the RCC, they taught that there are mortal sins and venial sins. Mortal sins (murder, etc.) are considered those. Venial sins were considered smaller sins like, 'small white lies' and things like that. From my understanding of scripture, to God, sin is sin and therefore, we all fall short of the glory of God. Otherwise, Christ went to the Cross and died in vain for all of us. We don't want to be crucifying Him all over again and we cannot attain perfection in our human state. If we could, there would be have been no reason for Him to come here and die for our sins. He already died and payment was made in full for all of us. We have a choice. Do we ask Him into our hearts (thereby insuring we inherit the Holy Spirit and our salvation), or do we reject and refuse to be believe the truth, the only way, and the life, which is Jesus Christ alone. |
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 20, 2015 2:30:33 GMT
"the wages of sin is death."
- Romans 6:23.
All sin is mortal.
This is why Paul writes, "as it is, it is no longer I that live, but Christ that lives in me."
In order to break the power of sin, we are granted life in Christ. Our mortal bodies retain the sin committed in the flesh, while our life is hid with Christ.
Romans elaborates on this at length. Romans 7:35 says "So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."
This is the life we live.
In the flesh, but not of it. Sin still reigns in our mortal bodies, which is why we must be clothed with a new, imperishable home (1 Corinthians 15). So... yes. All sin is death.
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Post by Kay on Mar 24, 2015 10:01:57 GMT
Jerome L.
I think all people are in Sin. Some more than others. Forgiveness it the Key.
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Post by peaceinthestorm on Mar 24, 2015 22:18:52 GMT
Welcome Kay. I agree, as Romans 3:23 says, "all have fallen short". Thankfully for all of us, Christ bridged the gap.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 25, 2015 1:29:44 GMT
You're dead right, Kay (and hi!).
Just to give some further context to this discussion, Jerome's question comes from a Catholic view of sin (which we don't subscribe to). The Catholic Cathechism breaks sin down into categories. Two are key: mortal, and venial sin.
Mortal sin is defined as deliberate, consensual sin that violates the ten commandments (this is a simple explanation, but it serves our purposes).
Venial sin is defined as a sin that "is reparable by charity" (justified by "love covers over a multitude of sins"); the argument being that 'venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God".
Mortal sin, then, to expound a little, is defined by the Catechism thus:
Now... where we differ from this view is that we know that "the wages of sin is death". That simple. Scripture doesn't distinguish between 'mortal sin' and 'venial sin', it merely talks about SIN. Breaking sin down into categories, compartmentalising it, doesn't do away with it or cover over it, it merely confuses the issue.
The crux is this:
"That Jesus Christ died to save sinners, of whom I am chief."
If you want to know where you stand before Christ, there's only ONE issue to be resolved. It doesn't matter what "type" of sin, or what severity, or what degree - all sin is worthy of death.
This is why Paul says:
"Who shall free me from this body of death? - Praise be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
Because "without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin", and "while we were still sinners, Christ died for us; the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring us to God."
There is only ONE qualifying mark...
have you been washed in the blood of the Lamb?
If you have - if your life is in Christ, and you've been washed in His precious blood, then "it is no longer I that sin, but sin living in me that does it", and THAT is the glorious truth of the gospel: that Jesus Christ "died, was buried, and rose again on the third day" as "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!".
Amen!
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Post by Leeza on Mar 25, 2015 1:55:16 GMT
Well said, Benjamin. Being a former Roman Catholic, your explanation about the Catholic teaching on mortal and venial sins was right on the money.
I am so glad that we are living in the age of grace.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 19:57:58 GMT
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 25, 2015 20:29:35 GMT
Hi Brotherjohn, it's nice to hear from you. Grace means that there is no cat waiting in the closet to bat you, however. Perhaps these cats come from a cult?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:40:40 GMT
Hey, Liz, good to see you too!  Sadly, yes, I think this particular cat wasn't joking around. |
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Post by shiloh on Mar 26, 2015 1:57:34 GMT
So good to se you post, Bro.John! I'm cracking up at that gif.
Well, my cats are obviously not covered in grace then, because they'll just walk around and smack another one in the head for no reason at all.
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