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Post by elizabeth on Feb 23, 2015 21:41:27 GMT
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 23, 2015 23:46:53 GMT
I actually disagree with a lot of what this guy says - not that he's necessarily wrong, but that he's missed the subtlety of the character - and that, I suspect, because he's limiting himself to one of the (many, many) titles of the Antichrist.
He keeps talking about the Antichrist being the "complete opposite" of Christ. That's actually not what the term means, nor is it what Scripture suggests. Antichrist is "IN PLACE OF" Christ - not necessary diametrically opposed to Him.
Now, obviously Antichrist will be opposed to Christ, but he's not the exact opposite of Him. He'll be attractive, politically - a man of peace, someone who arrives on the scene offering to solve the world's problems, and so on. This is more in the vein of "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light", rather than a demonic, evil character. He'll be heralded as a genius and a political Messiah, not as a villain.
So with that in mind, I'll see your video, and raise you a Missler:
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Post by Me on Feb 24, 2015 7:51:19 GMT
2TH 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
2TH 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Who other than the Holy Spirit is holding back the Lawless one or the Anti-christ. (rhetorical) When God removes the Holy Spirit all people with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them will go up as well. God sealed us in the Holy Spirit so we are inseparable. So the Holy Spirit goes up to allow the Anti-christ to be revealed and so do all the Saved Believers, the Current Church or Body of Christ. We miss out on finding out who is the Anti-christ.
I think most people will work it out very quickly after the Anti-christ comes to power.
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Post by Guest on Feb 24, 2015 16:24:57 GMT
I just happen to agree with the video elizabeth posted.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 24, 2015 22:43:03 GMT
I don't really DISagree with it - I re-read my post yesterday and thought "Hmm, I should have phrased that better"... my point, though, is that of all the names given to the Man of Lawnessness, "Antichrist" is one of the least used, and also one of the least descriptive.
He doesn't come onto the scene as being against Christ - but in place of Him - and that's literally what the term means. He presents himself as a new Christ; a sort of false Christ, and will be worshipped by the nations as such.
The name "Antichrist", taken in our own English, tends to suggest that he'll be against Christ, that he'll be patently evil, or villainous, or that he'll rant and rail against Christ Himself. ...at least to begin with, that simply won't be the case. He'll be inclusive. Peaceful. He'll seek to unite mankind, and to unite all religions.
I think people need to be really careful when talking about the Antichrist - because while WE know he's the villain of the piece, that's not how he'll present himself, nor is it how the Bible describes his arrival. So much is said about this character, and people tend to just focus on a few of the verses and attributes that suit their argument, rather than allowing the discussion to encompass ALL of the available information given in Scripture. We need to be smarter than that. We need to be Bereans.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 25, 2015 5:56:21 GMT
Which is precisely why I believe not only Israel, but many will be deceived by him. He won't come off as evil at first.
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