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Post by Gr8tful on Mar 17, 2015 17:49:36 GMT
I know this kinda goofy to wonder, but hey, that's just how I am!  I have wondered about the scriptures in Job where his friends are doing the speaking. They sound like they are giving sound advice when in reality they don't know what's really going on. But I have wondered if people actually quote some of it not realizing that Job's friends didn't 'get it'.? Job 42: 7 After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Leeza on Mar 17, 2015 19:57:18 GMT
Well, the reason that the Lord was angry at Job's miserable comforters because they just assumed that Job had some secret sin that he was harboring, and they blamed all the calamity that was happening to Job on him. They didn't know what went behind the scenes with Satan and the Lord and how the Lord allowed these things to happen to Job for a purpose.
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Post by Gr8tful on Mar 17, 2015 20:09:47 GMT
Yeha I totally agree w/that! I just wonder if people actually quote their sayings becuz it's in scripture? AS in you know how we quote stuff, such as Psalms? I wonder if people quote his friends not realizing that it was Job's friends speaking and instead quote it as if it's scripture, words from God's messenger or whatever. Does that make sense? Their words were basically bad advice, and not sure you'd want to quote it or stand on it.
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Post by Leeza on Mar 17, 2015 20:40:46 GMT
Yes, I am sure you are right. But if these people do quote what the miserable comforters say, that tells me that they haven't read the end of the chapter to see the Lord's angry reaction at his friends ignorance.
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Post by Gr8tful on Mar 17, 2015 21:41:12 GMT
Oh I know, I just love the Lord's response! First time I read that it was like, omgoodness, we are but scum! If you ever feel superior that's the scripture that puts you back in your place, huh!
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Post by shiloh on Mar 17, 2015 21:56:50 GMT
I have nothing to add b/c you said it all. That is my understanding of it all too. All I can say is his friends seemed very nasty to me and every time I have read the book of Job, I thought, "With friends like that, who needs enemies?" They sounded very arrogant to me and above him...as if they've never sinned. I think there are modern day Jobs and I would refuse to associate with people that think they are above everyone else.
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Post by Gr8tful on Mar 17, 2015 22:05:26 GMT
Yes his friends did sound superior and almost gloating that this man that was such a Godly man, had not doubt felt Job was above reproach, but they practically gloat that he was, what they thought, being judged for something!!! NO sympathy really not even from his wife! On top of that he had to be in such a state of mourning from the loss of his children, it had to be devastating! And his so called friends are POURING salt into his wounds!!! I know he was blessed so much more, but the price was very high for it. I truly believe it grieved for his kids the rest of his life and probably even his wife did.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 18, 2015 1:14:46 GMT
I've heard people quote Job as if it were "gospel truth", not realizing they were quoting the error of his friends, yes.
Job is actually an incredibly sophisticated form of philosophy. I studied it at University while doing courses in philosophy, and the depth and sophistication of thought is just amazing - particularly given how early the book is. It's just one more in a very long line of examples that point to how incredible the Bible is.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 18, 2015 7:28:21 GMT
I've read in several places that many theologians believe that the book of Job was the first book written and they all had very excellent points as to why. I agree with that gr8tful and have also thought he must have grieved for the rest of his life for his children. His wife sounded as if she was very bitter when she said, "Why don't you just curse God?" to put it in a nutshell. Not judging her circumstances ...just sayin'. |
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Post by Gr8tful on Mar 18, 2015 21:43:58 GMT
Yeah I know what you mean Shiloh re: his wife's attitude. Tho I can't blame her thinking like that after all they went thru and all the suffering she saw him go through! She probably didn't have that faith or peace in her heart that he did re: it all. My goodness losing 'SOOOO much and losing every last child had to be beyond devastating. I can't even imagine what she went thru, let alone him! I always imagine they would look at certain things that would remind them of one child or another...or being reminded of them in just random things and how deep that loss had to be. So bitter, i'm sure she was at least for a time. She is only human and again, not sure how strong her faith was but I don't think it was as committed as his...tho I could be wrong.
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Post by Leeza on Mar 18, 2015 22:28:47 GMT
Yeah, it takes quite a bit of faith to be able to accept that kind of loss with the dignity like Job did.
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I have wondered about the scriptures in Job where his friends are doing the speaking. They sound like they are giving sound advice when in reality they don't know what's really going on. But I have wondered if people actually quote some of it not realizing that Job's friends didn't 'get it'.? 
