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Post by morningstar on Apr 28, 2014 21:28:24 GMT
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Time for Consequences
Apr 282014
Front Page Mag: It’s hard not to admire Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s brazenness. This week he signed a unity deal with two genocidal terror groups all of whose leaders are war criminals. Every leader of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the two parties that signed the deal with the PLO, are war criminals. Under the Geneva Conventions, which Abbas signed onto just a couple of weeks ago, he is required to put them on trial, for their war crimes.
Here it is worth noting that under the Geneva Conventions, every single rocket launch from Gaza into Israeli territory is a separate war crime.
Abbas was only able to sign the Geneva Conventions on the one hand, and the unity deal with terrorist war criminals on the other, because he is utterly convinced that neither the US nor the European Union will hold him accountable for his actions.
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Opinion: EXACTLY. There is nothing Abbas can say or do that will bring condemnation down on him or the terror groups he’s in bed with. Abbas is not even a legitimately elected leader. Nations come up with reasons like oppression on the poor Palestinian people, or:
It was their land to begin with
All they want is a state within Israel
Once they get a state there will be peace
But any sane person with just a little knowledge of the land after WWI (Click here for our paper Timeline of the Rebirth of Israel), should know that not one of those reasons is legitimate. Palestinians are mostly Jordanians that neither Jordan nor any other Arab nation wants or will give citizenship to.
It was never their land and the leaders of these people have proven time and again that a state within Israel is not their goal. They have turned statehood down several times, demanding outrageous concessions, and proving their goal of a state without Israel.
So why do supposedly compassionate nations pander to deception and lies? Because Israel is God’s chosen land, and the Jews were His chosen people to bring His Son into the world. And Jerusalem is the place where the Son will return and reign for 1000 years, Revelation 20:1-10.
It is rebellion against a Holy God. And just like Satan tried to prevent the Christ Child from being born, he is now trying to prevent His return, by trying to eliminate His holy city.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 21:50:25 GMT
That + Abbas' latest disposition to wear the fleece of political correctness will sweet talk the world into supporting the Palestinian "cause" even more, and make Israel seem like the "bad guys" for refusing to return to the table under these circumstances.
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Post by elizabeth on Apr 28, 2014 22:09:42 GMT
I'm so glad I know how the story ends. It's just a travesty how Israel is treated, but there is an end date, and a wonderful endinging.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 23:49:54 GMT
Do you ever feel like you are chanting a phrase (such as God will not be mocked)when you read some of these articles? I tend to repeat that line along with God is in charge.
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Post by shiloh on Apr 29, 2014 2:22:26 GMT
I liked that article a lot. It drives the message home. As far as 'deals' go...deals shmeals, is what I say and no, they will not be held accountable. I believe the "Palestininians" are nothing more than a pawn used by surrounding nations to incite violence. If they (Jordan, etc.) cared about them, they would offer to take them in. The Geneva Conventions?...pffffffff.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 10:32:09 GMT
deals shmeals (...) Conventions?
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Apr 29, 2014 13:09:56 GMT
Did you ever consider how ridiculous and wasteful of everyone's time and intellect it is to possess in one's tool bag, and which sole tool is used liberally -- that of shaming an opponent who has no shame?
Wait a minute... Is that actually me vainly trying to employ shaming? What a hypocrite! But listen to that! Oh man, it's now degenerated to self-shaming! Oh what a wretched man I am! Who will save me?...
Shiloh and Brother John, you're funny. Googling "Schmeal," Shiloh, surfaces the following: Large, sasquatch like creature seen prowling the University of Minnesota campus in a bathrobe, playing disc golf. Can be attracted by cake, or calls of "what's the deal schmeal?" Honorable mention on Google, not top position, from Shakespeare's Pizza in Missouri for having "Deals Schmeals" on a tab of their website. Both states begin with "Mi.." Interesting.
Googling "schmentions" provides a potpourri of rabbit trails, maybe running from Minnesota to Missouri naturally bypassing Michigan.
Thanks for the meaty but funny subject matter you two. "Funny" is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I seem to like those two words.
And a hearty good morning to you Morningstar, Elizabeth and Reiom! May He come today!!!! Well, it could happen!
Sorry for this shameless waste of your time...
ybiC,
SG / MWS / Dan
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Post by morningstar on Apr 29, 2014 15:33:42 GMT
SG..you have me chuckling with your google search of Schmeal & Schmentions....that was hilarious!!..Never a waste of time..humor is always welcomed.
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Apr 29, 2014 17:21:25 GMT
So, I thought of something after the last post and driving to work, Morningstar: Abbas Schmabbas, a son of BarAbbas.
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Post by elizabeth on Apr 29, 2014 17:42:08 GMT
Dan, good morning to you, and you make me laugh and I appreciate that. Actually this board is full of funny people, I often find myself laughing.  |
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Post by shiloh on Apr 29, 2014 21:28:56 GMT
Dan, that is so funny! Now see? You taught me something new.
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Post by morningstar on Apr 30, 2014 0:15:47 GMT
I really liked that SG!!...And very very witty....especially the allusion to Barrabas...LOL
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Post by Still Guessing on Apr 30, 2014 4:42:21 GMT
Mendacious,
arrogant,
hateful,
manipulative,
obfuscating,
undermining,
divisive;
Astonishingly
brutal,
bombastic,
anti-
semite!
Can you tell I don't much like the guy?
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Apr 30, 2014 11:44:22 GMT
I was using a different computer to enter the thread just above, and I couldn't sign in despite six or more attempts. Could it be because I had not logged out on this (sleeping) computer? Maybe I can't log in as SG on more than one session? It' not the first time it's happened to me, by the way. So it's been many times I couldn't post. Just as well, probably...
I just want to reiterate something to you fine Christian friends: it's nice to have fellowship with you. You make a guy feel welcome. Thanks.
SG / MWS / Dan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 12:01:05 GMT
Careful, Dan. It's not healthy for a Christian to harbor such feelings towards someone else. Lol
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Apr 30, 2014 12:41:18 GMT
One of my general observations about the world, Brother John, and a thing folks often hear me say, is that there is certainly no shortage of scumbags. And it's totally unhealthy in general for so many of them to be running such enormous portions of the world. Forgiveness is divine, but even God's patience is being tried, I'm sure. I don't want Mahmoud Abbas as a friend, and I have trouble feeling remorse about that. Maybe dispassion is a better reaction. GRRRR!!!
I know. The situation you're warning me about is like the Star Wars scene where the Emperor is urging Luke to thoroughly vent his anger and strike Darth Vader down mercilessly, thereby completing his induction into the dark side of the Force. Well, Jesus has already kept me forever out of the dark side. But I still snarl and snort occasionally.
Thanks for worrying about me, Bro. No worries.
(I did see your Lol, by the way.)
SG / MWS / Dan
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Post by Benjamin on Apr 30, 2014 13:49:06 GMT
Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”
4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”
7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
...I think that pretty much covers it.
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Apr 30, 2014 14:00:01 GMT
Amen brother!! Hallelujah!
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Post by morningstar on Apr 30, 2014 15:45:44 GMT
SG, with you all the way on that one. I certainly cannot have warm feelings towards this man, in fact the list is getting longer each day to say the least. I can only give you one guess as to who is at the top of that list.
There's one thing, I can't pretend to feel what isn't there, and I most certainly can't lie to God because He knows my heart. All I can say is that I hate evil in any form, and many leaders manifest that spirit which offends my spirit.
It's not a question of forgiveness, for these men are fueled by hatred and by it's author Satan....No, I do not feel remorse or guilt for feeling the way I do.
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Apr 30, 2014 17:33:04 GMT
Thanks, Morningstar, for joining the choir, so to speak. I actually don't feel guilty nor convicted about a total lack of charity toward intentionally evil men and women.
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Post by shiloh on Apr 30, 2014 23:01:41 GMT
I think what you Morningstar and SG is excatly what makes the point for how I feel. We all know it is not against flesh and blood that we wrestle against....but what gets my ire up is that these people entertain evil and are willing vessels for the enemy.
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Post by Benjamin on May 1, 2014 12:09:24 GMT
Romans 12:20:
On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."
The truth is, these people are no different to the rest of us.
We were all, at one point, living outside of God's will, and outside God's family. We were, all of us, saved by grace. We were all misguided, all lost, all deceived.
How are these people any different?
We all, in our past lives, pleased the god of this world. We served him, foolishly thinking we were serving only ourselves.
..."but I tell you; love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you."
We need to pray for these people. It is never too late for God to come in power and with grace... after all, if God can save Paul, the "chief of sinners", and me, who, frankly, would give Paul a run for his money, then... why not Mahmoud Abbas?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 12:20:35 GMT
I agree with you Benjamin, God told us to love our enemies. BUT, it is always a work in progress. Some days the anger seeps through the mind, onto the tongue and out the mouth. I think it is hating evil that this man represents. He has a tongue like a snake that keeps spewing out hate and lies. I do pray for him, granted not often enough, but I pray God to turn his heart around so that he represents what is good instead of what is not.
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Post by StillGuessing on May 1, 2014 14:47:20 GMT
I wonder if proximity to and relationships with those Jesus said we are to pray for has any bearing? Mahmoud Abbas is not my enemy in a very real sense. He's not im my hood. He is a pawn of the rulers of the darkness of this world. Heck, without the high level competing idealogies of inculcated hatred they are exposed to from birth, they might in a different environment, (e.g., durring the Millennium), make fine witty super-intelligent God-fearing (YHWH, not Allah) neighbors. Or without the news coverage and incitement caused by today's Satan's high-tech news assets, I'd likely be at a point of blissful dispassion with both him and those whose beliefs and healthful passions differ from mine. We could share and debate in such an environment, but murderous expressions and mendacity do not precipitate neighborliness.
Okay, Benjamin. I'll pray for him.
ybiC,
SG / MWS / Dan
PS - despite the bald appearance it's really me. For some reason I can't log in again.
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Post by lavoietheway on May 1, 2014 18:57:26 GMT
As I was reading, I was thinking of BarAbbas, but he was soon mentioned. Maybe it is another one of those parallels... A BarAbbas when Jesus came the first time, aand another when He returns...
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Post by shiloh on May 1, 2014 19:45:41 GMT
But Benjamin, that sounds like Pacifisim the way you put that. Are we to love our enemies? Yes. But that doesn't mean making our backs (or others') like a road to walk on either.
Paul also said, " if it’s possible, as far as it depends on us, we should live at peace with everyone." (Romans 12:18).
Yet many of these same people are enemies of God.
Look, I'm not about to sit down and have tea and crumpets with those who are enemies of God and Israel (His chosen people). What was that again that God said He would do to those who seek to destroy Israel? I know you get my drift.
Do I wish death on them? No. I pray but it IS difficult when you see how they persecute and wish death to all Jews along with wanting to drive them into the sea.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 20:55:48 GMT
I think everyone has some good points. I think we should "hate" evil, but make a distinction between that evil and the person.
Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what it feels like to see someone's actions and not liking them as much for it. I agree with Benjamin in that we were all once lost. And God offered a way for salvation even when people were still sinners, and when we finally came to Him He didn't reject us or leave us out on the street.
If you found this man laying on the street, knowing full well who he was and everything he did, hungry and begging you to help him, would you let him stay there? Or would you help him? I think everyone here already knows their answer to that, even if deep down in your heart. As much as you hated the evil that he did, I think you would help him.
I don't think the Lord is asking us to go out and fellowship with those that seek evil instead of God. But I don't think He would want us to turn our backs to them in their time of need either, if they came to us asking for help, just as we came to Him and He didn't reject us. Humane? Or the love of God? I think that it's the latter, Him Who made us in His likeness. I think that the only difference of that between us and "good people" among non-believers is that we have Him that nurtures that love within us. Those without God in their lives will probably find themselves growing increasingly bitter and losing that love more and more.
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Post by Benjamin on May 1, 2014 22:10:50 GMT
But Benjamin, that sounds like Pacifisim the way you put that. Are we to love our enemies? Yes. But that doesn't mean making our backs (or others') like a road to walk on either. Paul also said, " if it’s possible, as far as it depends on us, we should live at peace with everyone." (Romans 12:18). Yet many of these same people are enemies of God. Look, I'm not about to sit down and have tea and crumpets with those who are enemies of God and Israel (His chosen people). What was that again that God said He would do to those who seek to destroy Israel? I know you get my drift. Do I wish death on them? No. I pray but it IS difficult when you see how they persecute and wish death to all Jews along with wanting to drive them into the sea. I think there needs to be a very real distinction between political realitiies and personal convictions on these issues. The political reality is that the Palestineans are Anti-Israel, and they should be responded to, politically, as such. Likewise the nations of Islam are politically Antichrist, and should be responded to politically as such. ...however, on a personal level, our response must always be the same - "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you." It is the state's obligation to protect its people. Israel can, should, and must ensure that is done, though there be consequences. It is the Christian's obligation to love his or her enemies. The reality, however difficult, is that God used one of the greatest enemies of Christ (Paul) as the Apostle to the Gentiles. I'm not saying that's going to be a common experience, but I'm sure we can each point to times in our own lives where God has knocked us off our own horses and caused us to change direction. Why shouldn't the same be true of Mahmoud Abbas? so, I'm not suggesting that in terms of politics or policy, that we should acquiesce to Islam, or to terror, or to the Palestineans. Absolutely not... but the truth is that while that entire system is antichrist, the people within it are often deceived, oppressed and held ransom by their own leadership. The Palestineans in particular have been a pawn in the hands of Muslim nations for a hundred years now, and while objectively, Israel does what she must to restrain terror, we were never called to be the Political Entity of the Church of Jesus Christ - we were called to follow Christ. ...and the same Jesus Christ that sent Paul to Ephesus, where he was run out of town, or to Lystra, where he was stoned and left for dead, all for the sake of the gospel... is the same God that "is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." In my mind, it's a simple, but important dichotomy. Politically, you do what you must. Spiritually, you do what you're called to do. ...butif we're so busy chasing the political slap-down of the Palestineans that we can't see the human side, and see a people lost, and without a shepherd... if we can't take the time to "love our enemies", and "pray for those who persecute...", then how are we any different from them? |
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Post by shiloh on May 1, 2014 22:31:03 GMT
Well, I agree with that and many of the Palestinians ARE pawns and used to incite violence against Israel. I've stated that before. They don't have a choice. I am in no way knocking all Muslims. Those among them have suffered greatly unto death and for their faith in Jesus as Lord and Saviour. I'm not making a blanket statement and assuming all are like Abbas and the like. I think of the little children too. They are raised from infancy to hate. I blame that on the enemy but when one is old enough to make an informed decision either FOR Christ or AGAINST Him and chooses to be an instrument of the enemy, then that's where I draw the line. I know what you are saying about Paul being confronted on the road to Damasus. I mean, he was a terrorist! What I don't agree with (as some people adhere to) is that Christian shouldn't become involved in the political process side of it.
Now, I'm not saying that's what you're implying at all, but I know people who come at it from that end alone. Can't we pray AND be involved in the politics of it?
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