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Post by shiloh on Nov 6, 2013 1:23:53 GMT
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Post by morningstar on Nov 6, 2013 3:00:33 GMT
And as we draw closer to the Rapture of the church, apostasy will become more prevalent! There is absolutely no doubt about it! I admonish you to test the spirits! Don’t believe and accept everything you hear without comparing it to the Word of God! As the coming of the Lord Jesus draws nearer, it is incumbent upon each of us to be rooted and grounded in His Word! We must not be ignorant of the devices the enemy uses to destroy our faith!
You know, this has been my warning to many Christians of late. So many are just falling for the deceit of false prophets & teachers there doesn't seem to be any discernment, and just because a person stands up and uses the name of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit and throws in scripture (taken out of context) to support their sermonizing, doesn't make them true believers. It really saddens me to see Christians following these people without questioning their motives and just taking what they say as truth. |
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Post by Benjamin on Nov 6, 2013 5:39:15 GMT
hey, did you guys know that when Elenin comes, Jesus will be riding on it?
oh, wait...
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Post by shiloh on Nov 6, 2013 15:11:07 GMT
LOLOL! I wouldn't doubt if someone came up with that....I can't seem to find it anywhere in the Bible though.
I agree Morningstar, especially when some have been Christians for a long time.
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Post by morningstar on Nov 6, 2013 15:42:41 GMT
Benjamin --- Yeah, and behind Him is Moses riding Nibiru!!
Shiloh --- Yes it is..it's in the book of "Enquirer" Chpt 66:6.only it's one of the lost books of the Bible that they found recently...so they say
LOL!!!
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Post by shiloh on Nov 6, 2013 21:12:55 GMT
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I have to get the version that has the Enquirer book in it. Now wonder I didn't know that! That's so funny about Moses coming back behind Him riding Nibiru.
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Post by Benjamin on Nov 6, 2013 21:34:48 GMT
The sad thing is, I wrote that (sarcastic) post because I'd just read one on another site suggesting that Nibiru had been incoming, but had been "hidden behind the sun" until such point as it "blew up", and "created a number of comets and meteors which are now incoming".
I facepalmed.
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annemc
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Post by annemc on Nov 6, 2013 23:40:47 GMT
One of the things that really mystifies me is why do people keep following false teachings and false teachers. It's plain from Scripture that a true prophet is 100% accurate (Deuteronmy 18:18-22). Why would you settle for anything less!
Then last night I was reading 2 Corinthians 4:2-4:
"(We) have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
But if our gospel is hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
Surely those who make false predictions and those who persist in clinging to the prophecies of false prophets are blinded.
And surely if a godly person made a prophecy that wasn't fulfilled he would be full of remorse, and repent and apologise.
So what can we say about those who are leading people astray and those who follow them? Are they 'lost' as the above reference implies?
It's obvious by several of the sites I read that many won't listen to wise, biblical reasoning. Makes me want to 'shake the dust off my feet'.
My question Benjamin: Do you think these people can be truly born again?
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Post by Benjamin on Nov 7, 2013 0:09:03 GMT
Can they truly be born again? I'd say yes...
BUT...
I fail to see how such deception (both of the 'prophet' and of their listeners) could be anything other than demonic.
We know who the author of confusion is, and it's not our God - this is precisely why prophecy must be 100% in order to be verifiably divine in origin.
As you say, such falsehood would have to be followed with genuine repentance. More than that, these people need to be looking at the source of their "inspiration". There are really only two options here: demonic inspiration, or... copycat inspiration (as in, copying someone else's "prophecy") which is itself demonically inspired.
So often these days, these self-appointed "prophets" are nothing of the sort anyway. They're not really prophesying per se, they are amalgamating all kinds of rubbish gleaned without discernment from YouTube, or BeforeItsNews, or wherever, and accepting them without question. What this means is that the origin of the falsehood is even MORE murky and unclear - until, of course, the prophecy is proven false, and then the truth is there for all the world to see (and ignore).
I'd suggest that the reference in 2 Corinthians to those who are "lost" is a reference not to genuine, yet incorrect believers (and I'm sure we all fit into that category in one way or another), but to those who have heard the Word, but rejected it, because the truth of that Word remains "hidden" to them. For the genuinely incorrect... the issue here is that the church has lost the ability or desire to rebuke its members on Biblical grounds. The online communities are no different. False prophecy is swept under the carpet, while people just move on to the next prophecy with an "oops!", or an "I have an even better one!" response.
I think much of this issue is characteristic of our age. It's not that people aren't discerning per se, it's that people aren't even interested in BEING discerning. This world is so desperate for meaning and purpose that it will latch onto anything that even seems to offer the possibility of a "high"...
...because that's what much of this "prophecy" boils down to - an opportunity for people to get excited about the possibility of something important occurring within their lifetime, thus giving meaning to their own existence. That might sound brutal, but how else do you account for it? The other thing going on in this process is that people are consumed with the desire for "hidden knowledge". We can see this both from YouTube prophets (Nibiru being a good example - they think they know about a world-ending event that the rest of us are blind to), and from the Christian community, too.
The Christian community has become obssessed not with matters of the Word, but with extrabiblical topics that don't bring any kind of encouragement or profit to the Church. A fantastic example of this is the Genesis 6 crowd.
Now, don't get me wrong - I find the topic of the Nephilim really interesting, and I honestly believe that it explains a lot about our history. However, this doctrine is built upon a single verse from Genesis 6, and a sprinkling of other references throughout the OT... and what benefit does it offer? It's about pride! It puffs up those who discover these "revelations", making them seem like they have a direct channel to God, while the rest of us peons sit back in ignorance with our TV's, right?
...and yet Paul, when he went to Corinth, "determined to preach nothing but Nephilim", didn't he!
...wait. Maybe not. He preached "nothing but CHRIST; and Him crucified".
We live in a desperate world - a world desperately seeking intimacy, desperately seeking truth (albeit in all the wrong places), desperately seeking something to make them feel like they have a purpose and a reason for being.
We HAVE THAT... in Christ, and Him crucified.
That doesn't mean there is no place for prophecy, no place for Nephilim, no place for looking at the world around us (I mean, come on - ISON is a once in a lifetime comet!), but if these things don't bring us back to Christ, then what are they?
Jesus said "a wicked and perverse generation seeks after a sign", and that's EXACTLY where we find ourselves. 2,000 years have passed, and mankind has returned to that same state of being, that same point where "the Word became flesh and dwelled among us". What was the result of that state of being? "The world DID NOT RECOGNISE HIM." How ironic then, that on the cusp of the Second Coming, the world has returned to a point where it fails to recognise its own creator.
Jesus said "when the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on the earth?"
I talked about this the other day - the implication in the text is no... and here, all around us, we see why.
Nothing has changed. We seek signs; we seek wisdom... but the power of God is the gospel. Jesus Christ, and Him crucified... and that truth is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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Post by shiloh on Nov 7, 2013 1:40:43 GMT
Oh, I couldn't agree more with you, annemc and Benjamin. What they throw back at us is, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" because they believe there are pieces of truth (scripturally speaking), but that's the whole problem. Satan appears as an angel of light. He is the father of all lies. He mixes truth with lies in ways that are so conniving that it can confuse. That's why we are told to "test the spirits".
And I agree annemc. If it isn't 100% accurate, I throw the whole thing out.
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Post by morningstar on Nov 7, 2013 3:04:20 GMT
I would be terrified of Prophesying a new revelation and saying "This is what the Lord is saying" when He didn't say it at all. It brings to mind this Scripture:
Matthew 7:19-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
I am always surprised when I see this Scripture taken out of context, quoted by Christians when referring to Carnal Christians. This is referring to False Prophets and False Teachers, yet is it used time and time again. And these are the same Christians who follow these self-proclaimed prophets & teachers I wonder why they don't apply it to them.
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Post by shiloh on Nov 7, 2013 4:26:15 GMT
You hit the nail on the head with that, Morningstar. I am so afraid to quote scripture out of context and I need to do my homework first. I need to study. They study of prophecy helps that in so many ways. Who is the audience? Why were they being addressed in a certain way and what was that sect or society experiencing during that time? If people don't see that, it's easy to misinterpret Scripture. I don't blame those people but the dctrine is not sound. We are to rightly divide the Word, as told in scripture. I know I was certainly guilty of that in past years but not in a way to harm. I think many of those who are not versed in "rightly dividing the word" have no ill intent also. I learned a lot from bibles scholars such as Hal Lindsey, Grant Jeffrey, Chuck Missler, Jack Kelley, Jack Kinsella, etc....many who've gone on as to where prophecy fits in.
There are others I learn a lot from too. Prophecy may not be their forte, but their teaching as in our walk with the Lord is very sound and scriptural also. Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll and David Wilkerson are just a few that come to mind off the top of my head.
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