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Post by Benjamin on Nov 6, 2013 22:38:02 GMT
I know you guys have probably seen this news before, but there's a good breakdown here.
The author of this video avoids sensationalism and seems to provide a relatively balanced view of the potential significance of this development.
Personally, I doubt that any US-driven peace plan will be of prophetic significance in terms of the "covenant [made] with the many" (as I don't believe the antichrist is of US origin, nor do any of the US players currently fit the profile of the antichrist), but it's interesting nonetheless.
This video also suggests the possibility that the peace accord mentioned in Daniel, which is made "with the many" could be a much wider agreement than Israel/the Palestineans - something that I've felt for some time.
Anyway - watch it and come to your own conclusions:
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Post by shiloh on Nov 7, 2013 2:41:57 GMT
See, now that's always been my thinking. I asked questions about that and I never got an answer and we won't know...we'll be seeing it from heaven (if allowed). I don't believe the U.S. will be any huge factor in this either, if at all. I read a book where it was speaking of how there are 3 possible scenarios for the U.S.
1.) The U.S. will become isolationists (I don't see that)
2.) We will be so embroiled in our own inner turmoil and government problems that we won't matter...(we've already lost much influence on the world stage as far as a world power goess and things are getting worse, as I see it)
3.) A surprise nuclear attack by either Russia or China or both.
2 and 3 I can see.
Back to my question that was posed to others is, "Wlll the many include all the surrounding Middle East nations of Israel? Or will the U.N. nations somehow factor in also?" I have a tendency to lean toward Israel and their surrounding nations because it all started there and that's where it will end. The other reason I lean toward that is because of Ezekiel 38-39. Russia is really chumming it up with some of those nations and all are positioning in the Middle East - the enemies of Israel. Yet we know, God Himself sends them fleeing through destruction and Israel turns back to God but they still do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior at that point.
Here's my other point, "On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem." (Zechariah 12:9)
What does anyone think about that?
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Post by morningstar on Nov 7, 2013 5:19:33 GMT
Good Video. There are a few Prophetic factors that may change the International Diplomacy protocol for Israel. Again, these are just some thoughts I've had about Israel/ME. As he stated in this video, don't expect Israel to attack Iran because of the U.S/Iran talks that are currently in progress. This could change in one day. My thinking is, in Ezekiel 38, It's Russia who is the driving force in the move against Israel, along with Iran, Turkey, Libya...to name a few. If Iran succeeds to complete their Nuclear program..(I think its a matter of weeks when this happens not sure)...why would they need Russia to go against Israel to annihilate them, as been their intention all along. Something has to happen to either incapacitate Iran's nuclear capability pushing the completion of their Nuclear program into the future, or their facilities will be destroyed. There is also the Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 wars that will coming into play prior to the Ezekiel 38 war. All these peace talks that have been going back and forth are just setting the premises for 'Seven Year Covenant" which when signed will be the start of the Tribulation. This is all going to happen in the near future, but all we can do is speculate as to how it will all come about.
Shiloh said:
Here's my other point, "On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem." (Zechariah 12:9)
What does anyone think about that?
I agree with you on the "Many" being the surrounding nations around Israel. And Zechariah 12:9 I believe this to be referring to the end of the tribulation (Armageddon). Anyway these are just my thoughts and views on the subject.
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Post by shiloh on Nov 7, 2013 21:48:34 GMT
That's my take on it too, Morningstar. You said that much better than I did. I don't see them coming into play until the Ezekiel 38-39 battle either. For right now, it'll be just saber rattling.
Could this incite the Psalm 83 ad Isaiah 17 battle, in the sense that they will ange those surrounding Israel? I agree with Bill Salus because he mentions Hezbollah, and other sects of the Muslim Brotherhood as being involved. Interesting to think about though, isn't it? Plus the fact that Damascus is the headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood. Could there be the posibility of both Psalm 83 ad Isaiah 17 playing out in conjunction with eachother? - or that Psalm 83 leads quickly to Isaiah 17 within hours or a matter of a few days?
What are your guys' thoughts on that?
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Post by morningstar on Nov 7, 2013 22:36:07 GMT
Shiloh, that's a great possibility on Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 happening right about the same time, I like Bill Salus's outline on this. I read his book Israelestine I think he pretty much goes into the details on how this might play out.
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Post by Benjamin on Nov 8, 2013 1:43:27 GMT
I believe (and I've stated this before elsewhere, I think) that the Isaiah 17 incident is the opening volley in a broader war. If you look at Isaiah 17, it's not JUST about the destruction of Damascus... it also talks about an attack (which I believe is probably chemical) on Israel.
It's very hard to imagine any scenario in which a chemical attack on Northern Israel wouldn't be responded to by force. I believe the chemical attack from Syria and the destruction of Damascus are events 1 and 2, respectively, in this passage - and that Psalm 83, the coalition of nations, occurs in response to Israel's destruction of that city.
Of course, that's all complete conjecture on my part, and I could be horribly wrong, but there you have it.
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Post by morningstar on Nov 8, 2013 1:58:46 GMT
Benjamin, you could very well be right on this, especially considering the threats Assad has been making against Israel. He has repeatedly said he will strike Tel Aviv if Israel deploys any troops into Syria. I could see it happening as you suggested. Good thoughts on that.
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Post by shiloh on Nov 8, 2013 5:38:06 GMT
Benjamin, what's an "opening volley"? Is that an Australian term? Seriously. I'm not making fun of it.
See, I always read that Armageddon was a series of "battles". For example, Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 are battles leading up to the end.
What does craky mean? Did I spell that right?
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Post by Benjamin on Nov 8, 2013 10:14:58 GMT
An "opening volley" is a term used to refer to the first (ranged) attack in combat. So... it would be used to describe archers attacking an incoming army, with the intent of thinning out enemy ranks before the hand-to-hand combatants move in. As for "craky"..? I have no idea what that means or why you're asking  |
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