nofruitforeve
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Post by nofruitforeve on Feb 12, 2014 0:51:19 GMT
I believe that if it was possible to cry in heaven, that Mary WOULD be crying after seeing all the people praying to her and not to our Lord Jesus Mary crying Fair Use for Educational and Discussion Purposes
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 1:08:58 GMT
There's no link there but I agree with you 100%!!!!!!!! I think she would be appalled and weeping in heaven if she knew this is going on and knowing people were praying to her instead of Jesus. Is it a RCC article? What I mean is are they of the RCC faith? I came out from the RCC and they believe that Mary is our Co-Redemptrix. We had to go through Mary and the saints to get to Jesus. We always had to pray to Mary and go to Novenas when I was little. Even when I was little, something inside of me told me it was wrong. I know that probably sounds strange. I had the same reaction when being told to pray to all of the saints who were canonized...Inside of me and as young as I was, I was going, "lalalalalalalalalala" and "yeah, right!".
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Post by LS on Feb 12, 2014 1:16:50 GMT
The link worked for me. It's a Yahoo "Raw" video (and kinda creepy, I might add) of an Israeli family praying around a "weeping" statue of Mary. The last shot shows the statue in an enclosed glass case with everyone standing around staring at it.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 1:37:17 GMT
Oh, wow. I got it, Jim. I didn't realize that "Mary weeping" was the link. That IS very creepy and a Jewish family? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....I'm thinking ahead but something along the lines of the false prophet and AC.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 12, 2014 1:45:40 GMT
I'm thinking something along the lines of untreated household dampness, myself
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Post by morningstar on Feb 12, 2014 1:53:22 GMT
LOL Benjamin. Weeping Statues of Mary have been around for decades, there are some that weep blood. So does this mean we are now going to have a spate of apparitions again? After all we are getting closer to the Tribulation, so I would expect we will.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 12, 2014 1:56:56 GMT
I don't know. I'm not sold that they're supernatural at all. the Catholic church actually investigates events like this, and to my knowledge there has only been ONE such event that they've been unable to explain in natural terms (either through natural phenomena, or by uncovering a hoax).
As far as false signs and wonders... I think we'll see PLENTY of those in the time ahead. Things are certainly ramping up.
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nofruitforeve
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Favourite Verse: Colossians 2:8
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Post by nofruitforeve on Feb 12, 2014 2:01:14 GMT
Ok bear with me for a sec....I just started attending a new church last week and absolutely loooovvveeedd it. It's a baptist church and as soon as I walked in I was welcomed so incredibley warmly...I felt as though I had known everyone for years. While hunting for a new church, I was looking at the beliefs of local churches on their websites and as soon as I saw this, i wanted to check it out.... The Last Days We believe in the literal interpretation of the Scriptures in their grammatical and historical context. We believe in the pre-tribulational Rapture of the church saints, followed by the seven-year Tribulation. We believe in the pre-millennial return of Christ to the earth and His literal rule of one thousand years. Following this one thousand years is the Great White Throne judgment and then the new Heaven and new earth (I Corinthians 15:51-58;I Thessalonians 4:13-18;I Thessalonians 5:1-9;Revelation 19-22).
This church reminded me so much of the churches I grew up in while living in CT....pews, only hymns sung, only a piano and organ as the instruments, ladies in dresses, men in their suits,....it even smelled familiar....I LOVED IT! I teared up a little while we were singing( it reminded me of my mom and dad). Anyways while I was at work the other day, the Pastor and his wife had swung by my house to speak with me and give me a book they give all visitors. My sister was home when they came by and spoke with them, and she will be coming to church with me in the near future.(praises!!!) So I read this short book they gave me at work the other day and it was AWESOME! It's called "Done" by Cary Schmidt and it's an excellent book to hand out to people who don't know The Lord. It gives great witnessing tools and easy to understand analogies . Ok heres what I'm getting at pertaining to the subject of the RCC....the book basically boils all the thousands of religions into 2 catergories...DO and DONE. Every other religion out there has a list of DO's ( some bring the message of Christ but there's always something you have to DO along with it) The fact that we the bride already know is that it has been DONE...we just need to believe and recieve. There's soooo much more in the book but that's all I need to say in pertaining to the RCC ...it's DONE...The veil has been split...we may go to GOD only through CHRIST JESUS not through saints, not through priests or popes, not by doing penance(sp?) I'm sure their are many RCs who are saved but they are wasting their time through rituals and prayers to dead saints.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 12, 2014 2:06:30 GMT
Yep, that pretty much sums it up!
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nofruitforeve
Levitical Priest
Posts: 58
Favourite Verse: Colossians 2:8
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Post by nofruitforeve on Feb 12, 2014 2:13:17 GMT
Btw...The Lord presented me a co worker yesterday whom had questions about Christianity and he approached me saying something along these lines...."I prayed to God last night that if he would take my desire of drinking away that would be a sign from Him and solidifying my faith" .....well wouldnt - cha know I had JUST finished reading that book and handed it right over to him. I've been praying hard for him to accept Christ if he hasn't already and well, I'll see him tomorrow and let you guys know.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 12, 2014 2:25:05 GMT
That's a big ask. Of course, God could solve all of our problems in a heartbeat, but then how would we ever learn to trust Him? How would learn to persist? To fight for what's important? To make sacrifices, both for His glory, and our own good?
I hope there's something in that book to help him understand that...
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 2:25:17 GMT
Good post, NFFE! I was thinking along the lines of what Benjamin and Morningstar said too. I watched a program one time where they debunked all of these "weeping Mary" statues. Then, I started thinking, if all these people can be deceived by leaking pipes or dampness, imagine what the AC will do because this is nothing. On the other hand, God works everything for good for those who love Him. What if someone is saved through that and they seek Jesus? Do you now what I mean? We just don't know. I don't believe the way they do anymore and haven't for a long time. Yet, the Lord put people in my path and I LITERALLY cried out to Him in my teenage years. He works with us in different ways and knows EXACTLY how to reach each and every one of us. So, I agree that there are many from the RCC that are saved. I think some still attend because they don't now where else to go...or were raised in that tradition. But the Lord knows their hearts.
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 12, 2014 2:28:21 GMT
my stance has always been that... there may be Christians in the RCC, but it's despite the church, not because of it. There may be Christians within it, but the RCC is not a Christian organisation.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 2:45:57 GMT
Boy, I get up for 15 minutes (I'm alway getting up) and you guys are way far ahead. I missed those last 2 posts. I agree. Where does trusting in Him and works come in though? Never forget, it's our desire and that's contained in our heart. THAT'S what matters to Him no matter what our sin/s may be.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 2:49:16 GMT
I agree with that wholeheartedly but don't you think that could be said about any denomination?
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Post by LS on Feb 12, 2014 4:01:42 GMT
My answer to your question would be, "Yes.", Shiloh. My Catholic School education (primarily the first several years) laid the foundation for my faith. I recall, in our 2nd grade class, taking turns reading aloud passages of scripture; it's no coincidence that Jesus became very real in my life that very same year. That said, I left the church at age 26 and then went through a period where I'd rip on the RCC to anyone who'd listen.
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Post by morningstar on Feb 12, 2014 5:25:51 GMT
I think that for the most part Catholics are very susceptible to supposedly supernatural phenomena, as in the Stigmata which I always wonder why it manifests itself in the palms of their hands instead of just above the hand below the wrists, Scent of Roses followed by a peaceful glow and these are just to name a few. I believe there are some that are supernatural (very few) but they are from the Power's and Principalities and are meant to deceive people into believing in Mary as an equal to God. Being from a RC background myself for many years, I can understand how easily they can be deceived because they don't test the spirits to see if they're from God.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 6:14:26 GMT
I agree, Morningstar. I believe Stigmata is of demonic origin. And that's all I got to say about that. So are the apparitions of Mary and I agree that many, even outside of the RCC, fall for fake healings (where people are planted in congregations)...look at Benny Hinn and the likes of him.
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Becka
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Post by Becka on Feb 12, 2014 16:50:50 GMT
The RCC is nothing short of idol worship. I'm not just talking about praying around a statue (which IS very creepy), but they've replaced Christ with Mary it seems - they'll say, "No, Christ is the Savior!" but they sweep Him under the rug while they venerate His mother. It's idolatry, plain and simple. Not only that, the "Christ" they believe in is an idol as well, because His sacrifice upon the cross "isn't sufficient" for sin, one must go to Purgatory to pay for unconfessed sin. He might have "gotten the ball rolling", but it's up to us from now on to stay holy. I don't even think they believe Yeshua is GOD in flesh. They run with the moniker, "Son of God" as if Christ is an offspring of God, a lesser Being, unlike humans, but not God incarnate. Therefore, they don't worship the correct Christ.
~~Becka
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Post by shiloh on Feb 12, 2014 19:38:18 GMT
Hey, Becka. That's not true about Purgatory anymore because now if you tweet the pope he's offering a "get out of Purgatory free" card now. No lie about the tweeting and getting out of Purgatory. Along the lines of weeping Mary statues, there's a video of talking buddah statues too. Well, they didn't talk but their lips started moving and people thought it was a miracle from above. That was very creepy too. Another demonic deception.
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Post by Becka on Feb 13, 2014 0:05:05 GMT
Reminds me of medieval times when people could buy their indulgences for a lesser time in Purgatory. Blech.
~~Becka
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Post by Benjamin on Feb 13, 2014 1:44:31 GMT
I remember when I was younger, riding my bike around my home town. There was a Catholic church on the hill, with a smallish wooden cross outside. Being Catholic, it had Jesus on the cross...
I always wanted to go there at night, and cut Jesus off that cross... and leave a sign behind, saying:
"Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here - He has risen!".
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eben
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Post by eben on Feb 13, 2014 3:33:42 GMT
I just find it hard to fathom that there are true Christians in the RCC. I tried that for the sake of my family (because they wanted me to be with them in mass) but the things I see during their worship is simply troubling.
About the video on the weeping statue, I don't see any tears... looks more like it's sweating.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 13, 2014 3:34:02 GMT
Benjamin, you know.....I have thought about that too. I guess being raised in the RCC I had never noticed that but my mother-in-law had a different perspective on it. She was Baptist. I started reading articles about that (Jesus being hung on the Cross in the RCC). Maybe I'm dull in that department but I always looked at it as a reminder of what He did for all of us and not crucifying Hi all over again. There are people that will argue that point and I can see that side too. HE IS RISEN and 'why does the Catholic church continually crucify Him all over again at every Mass?' I guess I just never noticed it before because I already know what He did for us. I have to tell you, when I have to attend a service at a Catholic Church (funerals and weddings), I never say prayers to Mary or pray for the dead that they mention at a funeral Mass where there's a repetition of prayers..a Cant. I keep my lips sealed and I've noticed some others are starting to do that too, last funaeral I was at. I've also read article where we're not supposed to even wear a plain, simple Cross. What's up with THAT? It isn't like we're Madonna out there acting disrespectful to the Lord.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 13, 2014 3:35:23 GMT
eben, lol...you know, that's what I thought too. I think I maybe detected a tear from the left side of the statues face at one point.
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eben
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Post by eben on Feb 13, 2014 3:58:32 GMT
Yea, maybe a tear near on the corners of the eyes - near the nose. I dunno, it definitely looks like it is sweating though.
The things they do to these so-called miraculous statues is almost, if not exactly, the same as those Hindu worshipers. They do not realise that the things they do result to a curse - and that curse, I believe, goes down to the 3rd and 4th generation. That is definitely not a good idea.
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Post by shelayne on Feb 14, 2014 4:13:05 GMT
May I share an amusing, yet really sad, story with you? A dear friend of ours grew up in a very Catholic family. He is now a born-again Christian (Praise Him!) and has nothing to do with his former religion. He told us of a tradition with the Catholics in his community. It is the "Mary Wagon". Has anyone heard of this? It is a statue of Mary that is just basically sitting on a little trailer, and she is pulled around the town. The Catholics all clamor to the Mary wagon to pray and marvel, as if this is some sort of spectacular event. People, people, peeps! She is being PULLED IN A WAGON, not riding a cloud. Get a grip. Forgive me, but I laughed until I cried as he recounted this event to us. His family was trying to get him to come home in time for the Mary wagon. He was telling them how goofy that whole thing was, and they were very concerned about his soul. You really need to hear him tell this. It is priceless. LOL And, yes, it is also very, very sad. Mary would be weeping.
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Post by LS on Feb 14, 2014 4:30:18 GMT
My question is not PC, Shelayne, but is your friend of a particular ethnic heritage? If so, then I'm not surprised (Former RC here)
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Post by shelayne on Feb 14, 2014 4:44:19 GMT
His background is Lebanese. Would the Mary Wagon be something attractive to a particular ethnicity? *Shelayne scratching her head wondering why*
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Post by LS on Feb 14, 2014 5:22:41 GMT
While not necessarily towing around a Mary Wagon, people of certain ethnic backgrounds appear to outwardly venerate Mary more than others. Not a head-scratcher really
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