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Post by morningstar on Feb 24, 2014 16:04:38 GMT
Apostasy is on the rise, I wonder how many Pastors will start falling away from the faith, I think were going to start hearing more on this. Like it said in the article, Atheists are thrilled.
The Blaze ‘Jesus Christ Was…’: Deaf Pastor Who Revealed He’s an Atheist Has a Big Message for Christians'
Pastor Justin Vollmar’s revelation that he’s now an atheist captured a plethora of attention Monday. So far, the ex-preacher said that reaction has been “explosive,” with Christians lamenting his de-conversion and atheists expressing their excitement over his so-called “coming out.”
The former Christian leader, who has spent the past few years releasing sign-language videos explaining Biblical concepts, has now penned an op-ed for CNN offering an in-depth recap of his journey into non-belief.
In sharing his testimony, Vollmar also noted that he wants to help Christians “break free from their traditions and superstitions.”
He detailed joining the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist sect at age 18 and his eventual transition to the belief that there is no God. Among the details, Vollmar said his faith was first shaken when he was not treated well while serving in a pastoral role after college.
“I was a pastor in Silver Spring, Maryland, working 60 hours a week for little pay. My senior pastor was a harsh taskmaster, scolding me and always pushing me to work harder,” he wrote. “Meanwhile, he earned $80,000 a year and played golf two times a week. I lived in poverty and did not see my children much. I got burned out.”
Watch Vollmar announce his atheism below:
After he resigned from this post, he said his “faith in God was severely shaken” and he began having doubts about the Bible’s claims.
“I questioned whether God’s love, which is supposed to reside inside Christians, was real,” Vollmar continued.
After joining on staff at another church, he launched the Virtual Deaf Church ministry, which quickly grew. But those nagging doubt didn’t go away. He was haunted by so-called contradictions that he couldn’t get past.
“For example, how could dozens of Christian denominations fight and call each other false churches? Why are there thousands of conflicting interpretations among Christians?,” Vollmar added. “How could God be so loving when he will send millions to hell?”
It was a day in 2011 when he felt that he could no longer be a pastor. In a moment he described as “surreal,” he said that doubt simply overtook his heart. So, he resigned from the church where he was preaching and quit his pastoral profession entirely.
Still, he kept posting videos about Christianity to YouTube through his Virtual Deaf Church.
Then, he enrolled at Liberty University, a Christian school, where he graduated with a M.A. degree in theology in December. Ironically, it was during that educational experience that Vollmar’s doubts began leading him to atheism.
“After studying theology and philosophy, I realized the Bible was not the word of God,” he added. “Supernatural miracles did not happen. Jesus Christ was a mythical figure who did not rise from the dead.”
Vollmar’s vlogs will continue, though they are likely to take on an atheistic bent.
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Post by funkymom12 on Feb 24, 2014 18:18:02 GMT
i already know about it and grieves me alot about it. it is really sad to hear that. i used to watch his vlog etc but not anymore. it shocked deaf christians to see and hear about that. we need to pray for him. actually there is 2 percents who are deaf christians in the world and there is alot of deaf people around the world about 200 to 300 million but they are not saved.
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Post by elizabeth on Feb 24, 2014 18:49:49 GMT
Funkymom, welcome to Rapture Forum. This is a sad article. It was sad to watch this man sign what he did, I could only read the print out. Hopefully he will be a prodigal son, and will return to his Father.
I love your avatar.
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Post by funkymom12 on Feb 24, 2014 19:03:10 GMT
he made the news in cnn and christian post etc to tell them about God is not real. it is so sad, other thing is that God's Words will never fade and will not leave that deaf guy's heart. the words of God will pop in his mind and it will make him think about that.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 24, 2014 19:22:13 GMT
I agree funkymom12 and Elizabeth. Hopefully he is like the Prodigal son and yes, he does need prayer. One thing I have never understood is how somone who professed Christ as Saviour, can leave the faith and "become" and atheist. Here's what I question. Was that person ever saved to begin with in their claim that Jesus is Lord and Saviour? Only the Lord knows that but if he really did believe, the Lord will never leave him and will call him back. It's like when Jesus, as our good shepherd, goes out searching for that lost lamb.
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Post by Becka on Feb 24, 2014 20:51:24 GMT
I do not believe this man ever knew Christ. Anyone who truly knows Him, not just knowing OF Him, but KNOWS HIM in a relationship, can ever walk away from such Beauty. There are many things that aren't my hill to die on, but this is one of them. I believe this is how people such as this can fall away. They were never of the fold to begin with.
First of all, who loses faith in an Almighty God when man's system has failed them? I could be failed by 1,000 pastors in life, but my faith in GOD will not be shaken. It seems to me the poor man was fed a "works" Gospel, and found it vain and lacking (of which it most definitely is). However, he never rested fully in the finished work of Christ. I know this because he allowed philosophy to sway his heart.
A pastor I like to read, J.D. Greear, says Christianity is about posture. If you think of a chair, those who are true believers have transferred their "weight" from their own strength on their legs, to the chair's strength when they sit down to rest. Those who have sat down rest in Christ. Those who haven't sat down do not rest in Him, and therefore, have the potential to wander away.
Being Biblically knowledgeable doesn't make one a believer either - consider the Pharisees. This man could have gone to 50 seminaries and still the outcome would have been the same because the bottom line is: the Holy Spirit NEVER regenerated his heart. A regenerated heart cannot revert back to being unregenerate unless God resurrects one's sins. We know ALL OF OUR SINS were killed in the flesh of Christ, and He rose sinless on the third day - leaving our sins in His grave. It is literally impossible for a true believer to turn away because God will NEVER resurrect our sin. We can fall away and be backslidden, but that's when God shows His faithfulness to save us for His name's sake, not our own performance.
So this poor man believed a works Gospel while coveting the prosperity (and noting the hypocrisy) of his false teacher mentor. Because the Holy Spirit had not regenerated his heart, he (mistakenly) began to believe that the false teacher he followed was the "norm" for the whole of Christianity, not realizing we are living in the age of apostasy and that he should put his trust in GOD ALONE. It is not that Christianity is wrong because of so many people within the faith disagree, it's because should the Lord tarry, we're on the verge of another Reformation - where the true believers of Christ will separate themselves from the apostate "church" of the world.
It is unfortunate that the apostate far outnumber the true believers. But I firmly believe that for anyone to fall away, they never "sat in the chair". They never rested in Christ's finished work. They never had a fulfilling, beautiful relationship with Him. They never studied Scripture, either, because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Romans 10:17). However, since the Spirit is needed to open our minds to Scripture (Luke 24:45), it is doubtful that he could ever understand them without first sitting in that chair. Indeed we should pray for him, but Hebrews 6:4-6 comes to mind...
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Post by morningstar on Feb 24, 2014 22:04:12 GMT
What is apostasy if not falling away from the faith, if what I understand in Scripture this is a very dangerous thing to do. This is saying to God, I no longer want you in my life, I willfully choose to reject you. Eventually the Lord will give them over to this desire and their hearts will be hardened so that they will no longer be able to accept His gift of Salvation. The key word here is "willfully"..knowing the truth and rejecting it is to apostatize A Born again Christian is Sealed by the Holy Spirit, and the Lord will not lose even one of those that the Father has given Him, He will not allow one of His sheep to stray to the point of rejecting Him. I don't know this Pastors heart but the Lord does, all I know is what Scripture says about apostasy and the repercussions that follow.
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Post by jon on Feb 24, 2014 22:15:05 GMT
Thanks for posting that, Becka. You said it better than I could have.
I will be completely honest with you all, reading through the article made my heart hurt, I didn't watch the video...many of the reasons he gave hit me hard, because these are issues that I think about a lot. There is a lot of strife and division within Christianity. It is hard for me at times to reconcile God allowing people to be created knowing that they will end up in hell.
None of that makes me believe that there is no God, however....what it does is make realize how little I understand about His plan. The Bible clearly tells us that His ways are higher than ours. He knows the end from the beginning, the Bible proves that over and over. One part of this man's testimony that got me was that he believes in evolution. Evolution is provably false, and it is a luciferian concept in origin, not scientific....I find it amazing that he doesn't understand this with his education
Regardless, I am praying for him to look past the lies of this world and to see the truth.
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Post by jasperdale on Feb 25, 2014 1:41:35 GMT
becka, if i had a dollar for every "Christian" who has hurt me, i could spend a nice vacation with my wife at Disney World. seriously, i have been hurt sooooooo bad by people who claimed to know Jesus. but never, ever, not once in my life, did i ever think about walking away from Jesus. Jesus is life. Jesus changed my heart. i think we are going to see more and more of this. there are millions of people who decided to 'come to Jesus' because they were promised health and wealth and when the bad times come.......they walk away from the make believe faith they thought they had.
the shocking part is that people like this want to take as many down with them as possible. they become "radical atheists" who go out of their way to destroy the faith of the weak. it's one thing for a person to decide to abandon God. it's quite another thing to deliberately set out on a crusade to destroy the faith of others.
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Post by jasperdale on Feb 25, 2014 2:19:24 GMT
okay, i just wanted to add a thought about this pastor after reading a few articles about his "deconversion".
he has put out a video on the reasons he walked away from Jesus. in a word......pathetic. seriously, the reasons he gives basically read like they came from a Richard Dawkins playbook. he just vomits out the same rhetoric that i have seen on a hundred youtube videos that have no basis in fact. he believes that Jesus never even existed.
then he goes on about how there is no such thing as "truth". right after telling us that there is no such thing as truth, he goes on to gush about how wonderful scientists are and how we know more than Jesus did because we have actually seen the earth from space. and on it goes. the same old lies.
personally, i "know" that Jesus lives because He lives within my heart. however, historically speaking, the evidence for the person of Jesus Christ is overwhelming. hundreds of years before Jesus was born, hundreds of detailed prophecies were given so that we would know Who the Messiah would be.
personal experience aside...........anyone who denies that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of prophecy and who was crucified for our sins.........is simply ignorant of basic history.
no.........people do not turn away from Christ because of lack of evidence...........they do so because they WANT there to be no God for some twisted reason. what a tragic story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 15:35:13 GMT
Every time I have heard of a "Christian" walking away from their faith is because they didn't get what they wanted from God, and left in anger and disappointment in Him. I guess they saw the Lord as their "Cosmic Santa Claus" or something, and when He didn't "deliver" the goodies, then they turned their backs on Him. That tells me that they were never saved in the first place, like Becka had pointed out. When you really love someone, you don't turn your back on them if you don't get what you want. That's like a 4 year old having a tantrum. When you really love someone, you will stick with them through thick and thin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 16:09:19 GMT
leeza123, I just love you're response! Christ has already done enough! There is just to much Meology, not enough Theology.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 16:40:35 GMT
"Meology!" Love that term, lol!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 16:56:51 GMT
I will have to give credit to Adrian Rogers for that term a few years back. It rings so true doesn't it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 17:15:38 GMT
God said many would fall away and that seems to be happening.
There have been times in my life that have been dry, where I did not feel in sync with God but those times I choose to believe in Him. Sometimes it is an act of faith. Other times have been fruitful in my walk and it is a lot easier then to believe. It is definitely a journey and I do pray for every Christian I know, including any forum or other Christian sites I go to, that God will help none of these people to fall away. This is indicative of the end times and I can only hope we are raptured in the next minute....
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Post by Becka on Feb 25, 2014 17:33:38 GMT
It's foreign to me, really, how people can turn away from Christ and renounce Him. I mentioned on my FB page about a week ago - it does not compute. It's like someone saying the sky is pink. It just doesn't make sense. No matter how angry I've gotten or how much I've been frustrated or haven't understood God's plan, never once has the thought crossed my mind to leave Christianity. It would be like divorcing my husband and then claiming he never existed, that I was never married in the first place. It doesn't make sense. But I suppose I have been sanctified by the Spirit to the point of no return; there is no longer doubt in my mind of God's reality, I've seen too much, learned too much, dreamed too much, and had too many prayers answered for God to be non-existent.
What I find interesting is that people such as these actively search for reasons and accusations to discredit Christianity. It's almost as if they try hard to convince themselves it isn't true. The person who is divorced knows they had a spouse at one time, regardless of convincing themselves otherwise. For the person who walks away from Christianity, they want to discredit their marriage license, the validity of the officiator, the legality of the document, and the authority under which the document was filed. Why? People who divorce just walk away. They do not become obsessed with a spouse they never believed existed.
It reminds me of the conditioning one goes through to "justify" their actions and sear their consciences, like how the Nazis convinced themselves the Jews were not humans, but no better than dogs. How the slave owners thought the same. And how the Pharisees justified murdering the Son of God. It is the same.
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Post by elizabeth on Feb 25, 2014 17:44:41 GMT
How can you be a Christian, and then turn around and disavow God?
I can understand how you can be a Christian and fall into riotous living, but still believe in the Lord. That's quite different.
Wouldn't this man have to be a tare?
A Christian who walks away from God, but doesn't disavow God, that person could become a prodigal son. They may live well, or they may live in a way not well pleasing to the Lord, before they return to the Lord.
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Post by Becka on Feb 25, 2014 18:09:17 GMT
Amen, Liz. I fell away for a season, but never disavowed. I became a Prodigal...daughter. One who disavows must be a tare. It is hard to accept, because my husband is such a one. I must say being unequally yoked blindsided me. I never thought it would happen to me. But the Lord is faithful and He is good. Wherever He leads is where I follow. Where He goes, I go. I've put my hand to the plow. I won't look back to check if others come with me. All I can do is sow seed along the way. The Last Day shall reveal the wheat from the tares. To the glory of God.
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Post by morningstar on Feb 25, 2014 18:23:41 GMT
There are professing Christians in the church, I like a quote from Corrie Ten Boom, which her father had told her when a Pastor refused to help hide a Jewish Baby from the Nazi's. Quote:
A very close friend of mine who I've known for 25 years, sent me an e-mail several weeks ago in response to an e-mail I sent her wanting to know how she was holding up under a fiery trial she was going through, I hadn't heard from her in over 6 mo's, and had tried contacting her with no response. She finally did contact me, telling me that she has ended her walk with the Lord, it was over, an now she questions His existence. I know this woman, I've always thought she was a Christian, but reflecting back through the years, I've always noticed that whenever anything went wrong in her life (trials)..she would always blame God. She basically said that she no longer wants to have any contact with Christian people, or hearing anything about God, that her whole perspective has changed now in regards to religion. To make a long story short, I responded in a lengthy letter, not harshly but pretty blunt about her decision. I did say that she may have her spiritual tantrums, blame God, hide her head in the sand and pretend there is no God, but sooner or later she'll have to come up for air, and when she does He'll still be there no matter what. I also let her know that I will always be her friend and if she ever needed to reach out I would be there for her. I doubt very much if she will, she was pretty adamant about her decision, and basically in her letter she left no doubt that she has willfully shut the door to our Lord, like she said "she threw in the towel".
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Post by Becka on Feb 25, 2014 18:36:52 GMT
How true it is that those who don't know Him depart from Him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 19:41:10 GMT
Amen, if you really know Him,there is no way you will depart from Him! Sometimes we want God to bless this mess we have made? God is gracious and will always forgive.... But if we willing sin against God, knowing the truth, make no mistake there is a price that will be paid. Always remember God is not mocked.... Nobody wants to hear this anymore! There is no fear of God here... you will find that from Genesis to Revelation! I am not talking about trivial matters,but a deliberate willfulness to disobey God to fulfill one's own desire.
I tried to get into this, oh let's just all be loving and understanding to others,even when we knew it was wrong.Where did it lead,misery, when steps could have been taken to stop it. What ever happen to simple right and wrong? Discipline is not a bad word.
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Post by morningstar on Feb 25, 2014 20:30:13 GMT
Absolutely right. All I know is that when people offend the Lord, they offend me. I can only be loving and understanding to other's up to a certain point, does that make me a judgmental Christian? I don't think so. But it offends me when people decide to walk away from the Lord and proceed to denigrate Him, OK so they don't believe anymore but don't try to convince others that He is a myth and that there is no God.
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Post by jasperdale on Feb 25, 2014 21:51:04 GMT
i think the difference is that more and more, when people reject Jesus, they violently reject Him. it is not enough to walk away from Him. no, they have to discredit Him, mock Him, blaspheme Him, even will Him to not even exist.
sometimes i feel like we as Christians are living in "the land of the lost" where we have to watch out for giant evil creatures who might just squish us if we get in their way. if a believer in Jesus is not willing to engage in spiritual warfare, he or she will be in big trouble.
these people HATE God. they literally hate Him. they would grind Him to dust if they could. the irony is.......all it is going to take for the world to face judgment is our Lord Jesus landing on the Mount of Olives. then, it's done. over. no more "your Jesus offends me".
better to pluck your eye out than be damned for eternity.
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Post by shiloh on Feb 26, 2014 1:32:55 GMT
Hey, Jasp. I rea a quote one time and I don't remember who it was by, but I thought, "How true that is." The quote was "Only Christians kill their wounded." I find that to be very true in a lot of senses and so saddening at the same time. I guess I will nver understand how someone can claim to be born again and walk away from the Lord. I have to agree with Becka on that. Maybe they were never saved to begin with. My hope is that they are the Prodigal son but I can't even conceive the thought of walking away from Him, no matter how our lives change and as may turns and twists there are along the narrow path. I look at it this way. First of all, I can't blame God for my wrong choices or because I am disappointed here and there or hae tribulation in this life. Secondly, I am WAYYY too scared to ever blame God because I know that it isn't His fault. I fear Him, but with a reverent fear. He has shown me more grace than I can ever earn or deserve.
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Post by jasperdale on Feb 26, 2014 1:58:01 GMT
shiloh, i am with you on the "fearing God" part. do not these people fear their Creator? i am currently reading a book by John Lennox regarding the whole evolution debate. it's actually quite hilarious that rational people find it more plausible that the entire universe just popped into existence out of nothing......than to believe that God created it. on top of that, they believe that life just "appeared" from non life on planet earth. then this "life" started mutating and went from bacteria to morph into people.
it's magic!
wait.......it's science!
people would rather believe that magic produced the universe than to accept the fact that there is a Creator. part of me thinks that everyone deep down has to know that there is a God, no matter how much they protest. that is probably why people who reject God are so vocal about it. they have to constantly drown out the voice of reason that is screaming "God is watching you".
for us, we have the peace of Christ which makes life bearable. not only that, we know that the best is yet to come. how satan must laugh when he tickles the ears of people who literally are hell bent on rejecting the Savior.
i am so grateful that when i stand before God, Jesus will be standing right next to me, telling His Father that my sins have been paid by Him, allowing me to avoid the judgment i deserve.
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