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Post by elizabeth on Mar 1, 2014 23:12:08 GMT
For people who like conspiracy stuff. . .
Okay, I'm not sure it's okay to post conspiracy stuff, but just remove it Benjamin, if this is a problem.
Like all conspiracy stuff, I believe parts of it, and find the rest interesting to listen to. I don't buy into all of it.
This fellow does not discuss bible prophesy.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 2, 2014 1:22:11 GMT
It's perfectly okay.
This forum has plenty of disclaimers for people to "test the spirits", and to use their own discernment. That applies here and everywhere else.
I haven't watched the video yet, but while I'd normally claim that people take NWO information with a grain of salt, it's almost impossible to deny that there is SOME truth to it. ...there's just also a lot of rubbish out there.
I'll watch it and provide some proper feedback.
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 2, 2014 1:55:07 GMT
Thanks Benjamin, because I would like opinions on this.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 2, 2014 2:58:56 GMT
Claims made in the video (in black), followed by my comments in red:
1) The United States is at war with Russia.
I think the conspirator here is overestimating the importance of the United States in global affairs. Even a cursory glance at Obama's speech from yesterday will show just how irrelevant the US has become... and how ineffectual.
2) The point of this war is to integrate Ukraine into the EU, so that the USA can have control over it (implying that the EU is controlled by the USA).
Again, I think this is overstating the importance of the US. The truth is that the EU have continued pulling away from the US, and, more importantly, Russia's own sphere of influence has grown significantly, while the US diminishes. Put simply, I don't see how this conflict would or could be in any way advantageous for the US. The US simply does not have the military power to take on Russia *and her allies*, while the vast majority of the world is far too war-weary to leap into another conflict, particularly a broad-scale conflict. I think it far more likely that the rest of the world will stand by and impotently wave their fists and stomp their feet, while Obama threatens and chastises as only he knows how. As it stands, I can't see the world (by which I mean the EU/NATO/US and allies) getting involved in this particular conflict, when Ukraine is considered to be something of a Russian asset anyway. Could it be the catalyst for a broader conflict? Yes. ...but will the world jump up and rush to Ukraine's defense? That, I don't see.
3) The opening foray in the Ukraine War was US seizure of ports vital to Russian interests. This is an attempt by the USA to draw Russia into open war.
Again, I can't see the US in an open war against Russia. More than that, I can't see any scenario in which such a war would have a positive outcome for the USA. I suspect that the conspirator is vastly overrating the capacity of the USA to carry out a large-scale war, much less win one.
I suppose my take on this is that it simply isn't a NWO affair. I simply don't see it. What I do see is the rise of Russian Imperialism, after a period of long dormancy.
The only way in which this could be contrived as a NWO-instigated war is if it were, for all intents and purposes, a kamikaze war in which the USA were seeking to assure her own destruction. ...and that... while technically possible, doesn't seem particularly substantive as a viewpoint.
4) This war is a desperate attempt to preserve the US Dollar's status as the world reserve currency.
Again, this only works if the US are actually planning to go to war against Russia, China, Iran and friends. I just don't see it.
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 2, 2014 3:29:32 GMT
Benjamin, thank you for your input, I agree with what you have written.
I was thinking along a broader line, and based on what I have heard, about these 'people at the top' who plan what will happen in the world. I've read they simply dictate to countries what will happen.
I thought the way he talked about the timing of things was interesting, the world economy being so bad, Snowdon, a major source of embarrassment to the U.S. govt., defecting. The Olympics being held in Russia just as the situation in the Ukraine kicked off. I just wondered if this was all planned ahead of time, in some room, by a small number of men smoking big stogies, and drinking scotch.
I don't really care, sometimes I'm just curious.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 2, 2014 5:09:33 GMT
The timing IS interesting, but I think that those of us who like conspiracy theories sometimes think zebras every time we hear hoofbeats, when thinking horses would be more reasonable.
I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Russian ascendancy is happening now precisely because of these events - but does that mean it's orchestrated, or does it merely mean that Russia is seizing an opportunity that has presented itself?
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 2, 2014 5:32:51 GMT
Thanks Benjamin, that makes sense. I love the zebra/hoofbeat analogy. 
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Mar 6, 2014 3:44:49 GMT
Interesting looking zebras.
Maybe these are three of the four horses mentioned in the seal judgments... maybe awaiting riders. Nice horses, aren't they?
By the way, Liz, I hope you are doing well these days. I have not written directly to you in weeks.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 6, 2014 4:56:02 GMT
Cool picture, Liz! Those are very pretty.
SG, get to writin'! lololol
Benjamin, I agree that there is an over-emphasis on the U.S. I don't understand that because the U.S. is a non-factor in the last days and I believe that is being fulfilled now. Perhaps in the form of judgement upon this nation?
I'm looking at it all this way. I believe the New World Order has had an agenda for a long time....since way back in Old Testament times. However, we know who they are 'working' for and we know it's satanically driven. God already knew hese things before the foundations of the world. So, in short, He said these things would happen but when you think about it, He didn't say how or by what means. It can go hand in hand with prophecy being foretold along with conspiracy and it all coming to fruition.
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 6, 2014 4:58:45 GMT
Thanks Dan, I am doing fine. I hope you are well, you have not been on the board for a few days.
These are Icelandic Ponies, they are a smaller horse. I have to think less in Zebra Mode these days.
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Mar 6, 2014 12:49:31 GMT
I'm okay too, thanks Liz. My family and I are sort of in a Blessed Turmoil. We the parents are moving back to our home 70 miles north that we rented out 11 years ago. Our rather large family who almost all settled within homes less than 1/2 mile from the home we are returning to -- the home where they all grew up as kids -- are all exuberant. My bride will be within walking distance of 12 grandchildren plus five of our six kids and their spouses. I will be commuting, returning weekends to the old homestead, and bedding down during the week in our now-up-for-sale home, and bearing up under an on-and-off weekly bachelor existence. So, that's why I say: Blessed Turmoil. I'm thinkin' Jesus is going to probably give us a brand new home before we're resettled into the old one. But since for several years I have fantasized about all of us being raptured during a family gathering of some sort, this could increase the odds. I'm deeply grateful.
Wow! This post of mine went far afield of the NWO conspiracy that this thread started with. Okay, let me pose some relevance for we believers: Read Psalm 2:1-6. All I can say is, "YES!"
Eat your heart out, NWO! You won't dominate all of us, and you are soon enough going to loathe your own very existence -- which we already do. God have mercy on your souls! Kiss [embrace] the Son, lest He be angry and you perish in your way... (Psalm 2:12)
ybiC,
SG / MWS / Dan
(later mod - to Shiloh: Yes Ma'am! As you can see, I'm writin' to Liz now...)
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