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Post by shiloh on Mar 7, 2014 1:40:14 GMT
Don't ask me why this entered my mind while standing in line at Walmart tonight, but I started thinking about the last supper. Then, I started thinking about Judas. I thought about that for awhile and what or who he represented. Does anyone else think he could very well have been a representative of the Laodicean church or aposate church?.....a foreshadowing? Your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 4:52:06 GMT
Good question, Shiloh. I just have the impression that Judas represents the tares among wheat...you know, the ones who go to church, hang around with other Christians, and knows how to talk the talk, but their hearts are far from the Lord for their own greedy gain. Even though Judas walked with the Lord, his heart was never changed, much like those people today who go to church and mimic how Christians act and talk, but are not saved. Those are the ones who the Lord will say, "Depart from Me, I never knew you." How tragic.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 7, 2014 6:45:20 GMT
I think Leeza has hit the nail on the head. If anything, he's a lesson in kind- that there are those who may look and sound like Christians, but when it comes down to it, their fruit is rotten. Sadly that would probably account for 90% of churchgoers these days, if my experience is anything to go by.
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Post by jasperdale on Mar 7, 2014 7:15:05 GMT
i just can't read the last supper Scriptures without thinking "what are you DOING!!!!" every time Judas get up from the table to go out and betray Jesus. it's like i think one of these days, the ending might change or something. it reminds me how gracious Jesus was for all those years, knowing that "he was a devil", and yet extending love to him. our Jesus is so special and pure. how the church today can put Him in the corner while they pursue earthly pleasure must sadden the Lord so.
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Post by Benjamin on Mar 7, 2014 8:25:12 GMT
Jasper is right. Nobody puts Baby in the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 12:06:29 GMT
Shiloh: We were on the same wave length as far as thinking about the Last Supper. It has been in my thoughts in the direction of why Judas was allowed to stay. We all know that with any group !people, it only takes one person to spread discontent. But perhaps Judas did not allow his disbelief to show. I think it certainly demonstrated the separation from God that happens when you are not a true believer.
Good thread Shiloh!
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Mar 7, 2014 13:46:32 GMT
There, but by the Grace of God, go I... Thank you, my Savior, my God!!
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Post by shiloh on Mar 7, 2014 14:40:23 GMT
Those are all really good answers. Thanks guys. In a sense, I was wondering the same thing. "Judas could have never been saved to begin with..". In a sense, Isn't that like the Laodicean church though? Yet denying the power thereof.....?
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Post by jasperdale on Mar 7, 2014 15:11:58 GMT
shiloh, of all the scenarios in Scripture, i think the absolute worst has to be the people that march up to Jesus going on about how they did all these things in His name and Jesus says "depart from me, for i NEVER knew you". it's the "never" part that sends chills up my spine. we see people all the time, "good people", who do far greater things than I do in this world. they form committees, feed the hungry, save endangered species, on and on. and yet......they have never dealt with their own sin. they somehow think that by doing good in the world, they somehow "earn" their place in the kingdom.
perhaps that is what we have with Judas. he felt compelled to overturn the romans. surely, the Jews, God's chosen people, deserved to be liberated, they deserved to have a king over them who would "shoot the bad guys" and reward the faithful. and yet, in his pride and air of superiority, Judas never dealt with the fact the he, himself, was a rebel. Judas needed a new heart. it wasn't just the romans who were the bad guy.......he himself walked around with an impure heart. think of all the sermons He heard Jesus speak. all the while, he probably was saying "yeah, you preach it Jesus. these people are BAD".....without realizing that he himself was in need of salvation.
and we see it in today's "church". we cry out against all the nasty gay people, the nasty sinners, while patting themselves on the back because they are keeping the law, they tithe and go to church and make sure that no "r" rated movie flickers across their big screen. yet, inside, they are as unwashed cups. they are not pure themselves, yet they find the impurity in all those around them.
oh, Lord Jesus, make us humble and remind us that without You, we are as nothing. it is only the Lord Jesus who makes our garments spotless. without Him, we are just as filthy as the rest.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 7, 2014 15:18:45 GMT
Hmmmmm...that was a vey well thought out and in depth answer, Jasp. Good perspective on that. Thanks.
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