jon
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Post by jon on Mar 8, 2014 3:13:34 GMT
Had not seen him for months, we have lost touch lately. A few months ago he told me that he was thinking of joining the masons. He was married a year ago and her family are all masons. He has always been a professing Christian, and he has always been a good guy.
I gave him a rundown of what the masons actually believe when be told me, and he sounded concerned. Well, we really stopped talking after that. I had a free night tonight and decided to ask him and another friend out for pizza. In the midst of talking about stuff, he brought up masonry and basically started telling me about how I was wrong about everything, and that they are just a charitable social organization. He literally started talking about how all the talk about them being non Christian and evil was all lies designed to deceive people.
I had already sent him material by ex masons who admitted all the secrets about the masons not being Christian, that they are a new age cult who's true god is lucifer. I brought that back up tonight and he got really defensive, got mad and basically told me I am crazy.
The other friend that was there started saying that there is nothing wrong with universalism, that all religions are valid, etc. I have been studying religion and origins, philosophy, cults, etc for over s hear. I understand the fact that they all tie in the devil. I gave them logic and fact and they both basically looked at me like I am insane.
I am honestly heartbroken. I have been best friends with this guy since we were 13. Now in the span of a few months he is telling me that Im crazy and telling me about secrets that I dont understand...when I actually told him the oath that he took he looked shocked. It basically ended and I just left and said something about calling them sometime.
I am praying for them. Does anyone else have experience with this kind of thing? It felt sickening listening to him recite verbatim what all the ex masons say...that they are completely brainwashed.
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Post by LS on Mar 8, 2014 3:25:25 GMT
Really sorry to hear that, Jon. I can't say I've had any experience in that area other than telling my sister that Dungeons & Dragons wasn't exactly a good thing for my nephew to be involved in (30 years ago). I did end up catching grief from my nephew (who was in High School at the time) and my sister seemed a bit peeved that I'd shared my concerns.
Again, sorry about your now strained friendship ... and the unpleasant night out with old friends.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 8, 2014 3:47:12 GMT
Hey, Jon. The truth is that the lower ranks don't know what the highest ranks are into. Who are those guys that do a lot of charity work and drive around in mini cars in parades?...oh...the name escapes me at he moment.....no, they're clowns, you guys...lol....the Shriners. Those guys are the cover for the 'elites'. They have no idea what the higher ups are into. I had a great aunt who lived in California for years and didn;t find out until after her death that she belonged to a women's Mason group for a long time. Her first husband divorced her over it. Now, how high up or her involvement in it was, I have no idea. One of my sisters looked shocked when I had a look of shock when she told me that and she said, "Why are you upset, Renee? They do charity work."
Also, my mother-in-law used to have this thing hanging on her wall because her uncle was in the Masons. I don't know what he ranked as either but it's no wonder that house had demons in it. They even had some guy go in there with a team after my mother-in-law passed away because no one wanted that house accept for one son and his wife. The first thing they said was, "Get rid of that plaque!" and they did. If you ask me, they called the wrong guys in and wouldn't listen to me. These guys were more like those ghost hunter guys. Guess what. They refused to go back in there after a few visits. Funny thing is, if you saw their house, it was never dark and dreary like you would picture a house that has demons in it. There was always sunshine in there, nice and neat, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 3:57:09 GMT
Jon, I'm so sorry that you had a dispute with your best friend over this. I remember once I saw a video in church about masonry, and how there are a lot of masons in politics and how much power they had behind the scenes. It was an eye opener. It almost seemed like some kind of conspiracy theory or something. But it isn't, and that's what is so disconcerting. Shiloh, what you described was bone-chilling.  The devil has his hands into everything, doesn't he? |
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Post by LS on Mar 8, 2014 4:04:02 GMT
Shiloh, if I had hair, it would've been standing up after reading your post  Why did the one son want that house? yikes.... |
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Ncic
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Post by Ncic on Mar 8, 2014 4:11:44 GMT
Hi Jon, so I don't know anything about Masons, but I did want to just encourage you a little if I could by reminding you that you did the right thing, you planted good seeds with your friend and now it's time to trust in our big God. Just pray and give this situation to Him. I am sorry for your experience though, these things can be so hard to watch as we stand by and feel helpless.
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 8, 2014 4:25:16 GMT
Ncic, you are so right, it is so hard to stand by and watch friends be involved with dangerous doctrine. Jon, bless you for your concern for your friend. Be encouraged, God answers prayers.
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Post by MyWhiteStone on Mar 8, 2014 11:50:31 GMT
I am so sorry, Jon. Satan is so good at counterfeit and lies lies lies!
My Dad, a Christian believer, found fellowship in the AF&AM (ancient free and accepted masons), and evidently he found meaning of some sort. It was not of a deep dark sort, I suspect, although on one occasion my Dad had mentioned about threats of tongues being cut out for any member revealing what they experienced -- a secrecy oath. He, of course, did not volunteer to describe anything, nor was I then all that curious.
When I turned 14 Dad was keen on getting me into the Order of DeMolay. (My seven year older sister had also risen by then through the ranks in Job's Daughters.) As my Dad had evidently inherited, I also seemed to possess the gift of an ability to memorize textual material -- handy to recite ceremonial passages, core lessons, promises and oaths -- and moved up through the ranks. The DeMolay teachings were not overtly Satanic, although I was puzzled that Reverence for God was second to Filial Love -- the highest virtue (i.e., love of parents, especially our mothers -- and I really loved my Godly Mom!). I also despaired at the raunchiness of pre-meeting get-togethers in the ante room - suffering descriptions of the boys' amorous conquests, and really dirty jokes, and feeling dirty being exposed to that. But before I graduated high school I had attained to DeMolay's highest degrees and honors. I had no time and little interest in continuing with DeMolay at college, although the masonic plan seems to be that at attaining age 21 a DeMolay should be thinking about entering the Masons. I was not interested, but despite my ambivalence my Dad was unusually passionate about his intent that on or about my 21st birthday I would be inducted into the local lodge.
During this period he had also pursued higher degrees in freemasonry and attained 32nd degree status. My Mother told me that those ceremonies had seemed to have a profound effect on my Dad, which I presumed came from some esoteric lessons they taught, although of course he never told anyone about them. Nor was I especially interested. He wore his 32nd Degree Mason ring, replacing his regular square and compass ring. I presumed it was a status marker among masons.
As a junior in college, and while taking an economics exam on 12/14/66, I was called out in the middle of it and was told on the phone by my Dad's co-worker that my Dad had just died at work. Evidently a heart attack. I was 20. Dad was 53. Within the last couple years, as I have learned about the amazingly deep and occultic evil at the roots of freemasonry, I have wondered whether my Lord in His mercy and grace, among many other of His divine objectives, delivered me from an evil occultic organization by having my Dad die while I was still underage (for joining the masons). That may be one of the questions I'll pose in the Kingdom, Rieom...
About eight weeks ago, since we are currently packing things to move and tossing out lots of old things, I stumbled across my Dad's Masonic Bible that he had been given at the beginning of his term as the local lodge's Worshipful Master. I imagined that I would find all kinds of evil occultic symbolism in it. To my surprise it was chock full of Scripture directly from the KJV, the entire KJV was there intact, the lesson sections all seeming like Bible studies, and were not as strange as I had more recently come to expect. The word "occult" means "hidden," so if Jesus tarries and I finally retire, I thought I'd like to take time to find the counterfeit material inside the margins and other lessons in that Bible. I have no desire to understand freemasonry or its secrets, but want to spot the lies among the truths if I can.
LS (my friend Jim) started a thread on RaptureForum yesterday that probes praying for others' salvation. You know, I have been terrified in the last couple years since reading some things about Luciferian Doctrine, hoping that my Dad had not bought into it in rising through the ranks. Acceptance of those propositions could mean he did not truly believe in the grace of Jesus, and consequently I'd never see him again. I was overwhelmed with that possibility, and began to plead with God to save my Dad, to bring him to saving faith before December 1966 when Dad actually died. God is not limited by time, and I reason that the Holy Spirit can look down in time, hear my fervent prayer fifty or more years from then, and answer it. Believe me, Dad is one person whom I will be focusing as with a laser beam looking to find at the Resurrection / Rapture. My sister pointed out several historical indications of Dad's belief in Jesus that she recalled, and we both feel like since the Holy Spirit will never leave, and once-saved-always-saved, that laser beam is likely to find its target immediately. No one can snatch us out of Jesus' hand!!! Anyway, all three of us kids are hoping.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 8, 2014 16:16:08 GMT
My grandfather, Paul (on my dad's side) knew a lot of Masons but was not one. He loved the Lord with all of his heart, soul and mind and read his KJV every day. He always spoke of the Masons as very dangerous in what they really believe. I was very little and just picked up parts of conversations I overheard but didn't fully grasp it. I remember him telling another man that a 33rd degree Mason sees the devil.
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The devil has his hands into everything, doesn't he?
Why did the one son want that house? yikes....
