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Post by elizabeth on Mar 21, 2014 19:56:41 GMT
Here the Catholic Church meets the tv show, The Voice, the Italian version. This is a real sister. I have no idea what the institution thinks of this, but I've no doubt Francis would be fine with it. To watch the video click here |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 21:17:52 GMT
I actually really liked this song before, and still like it even though I don't relate to the words anymore. Out of all non-worship songs out there it's probably one of the least... detrimental? Probably not the best word to describe it, but you get my point. This is just my opinion, though, and I'm sure a lot of people probably don't like the song either way.
Not sure how a Catholic nun would know songs like these, or why she would choose to sing it out of all possible songs, but hey. Maybe she did this just for a little fun. I don't know, there's not much else I can say about it. |
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Post by shiloh on Mar 21, 2014 21:53:57 GMT
Well, we have a show just like that here in the U.S. too. I thought she had a good voice. I liked the movie Sister Act. I didn't find anything disrespetful toward the Lord in that movie or song. Maybe I'm just way off base. To each his own, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 22:12:47 GMT
Yes, I mean, this song is describing a passionate feeling between two people from what I always understood, so it's understandable that this causes a lot of controversy in Christians and conservative people at first, since this lady is a nun, and nuns are supposed to be completely committed and free from any thought of romantic relationships whatsoever.
But in all honesty, one would have to agree that this commitment really is what the Lord wants for her, especially considering the Catholic church's works-salvation doctrines and ways. I'm not questioning her salvation, especially since I don't know her beliefs, and also since the Lord can still lead her in a different direction at some point in her life. But as it stands now, at the end of the day, she's still a human being, and taking these things into consideration I'd say I personally don't find this all that evil. |
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 21, 2014 23:07:38 GMT
To see a nun, who to the Catholic Church, is supposed to represent the Bride of Christ, on The Voice, which epitomizes the world seems like something the Catholic Church should have a problem with. This current pope is so loosey-goosey however, I'm sure he'll have no problem with it.
I don't know. They should either live by the Catholic lifestyle rules, or go live a secular life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 23:54:36 GMT
They should also have a problem with things that conflict with Scripture, yet they don't seem to. A nun participating in a singing competition is the least of what they (and we) should be concerned about, especially since we don't know her intentions and we hold different views than theirs.
A person being relaxed or playful doesn't mean they aren't serious about their faith. It's, again, false doctrines and beliefs that I'm concerned about, and make me question where their faith is at all.
I know everyone has different opinions, though.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 0:24:19 GMT
I don't believe the Lord wants us all to be a stick in the mud. I know people from other denominations who have wonderful talents too. That doesn't mean they have to stick to certain protocol. If she was stripping on stage, then I'd have a problem. It isn't nuns who are supposed to represent the bride of Christ. I've known many who had great senses of humour and were talented but loved the Lord with all their heart, mind and soul. It's the entire body of Christ who represents the bride of Christ.
If that's the case, then we can pick on King David too. He DANCED before the Lord. God Himself said that David was a man after His own heart.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 0:45:31 GMT
Lol, well, David danced in praise to the Lord, not to the sound of Alicia Keys' "No One" for, seemingly, the world.  But I understand and agree with the point you're trying to make.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 0:53:29 GMT
But who's to say she wasn't singing that to the Lord? I've heard many secular songs where I'm singing it to the Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 1:06:47 GMT
No one. That's why I said "seemingly." Lol, I don't know her intentions. I personally wouldn't take a song like this and apply it in a worship way, since the song was not originally written for it and doesn't speak to me, but a couple of lines in a seemingly secular song managed to touch my heart in a very big way regarding faith years ago, so... I won't say they'll never have any value either.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 1:15:56 GMT
Well, this was originally a secular song. Do you think this is disrespectful to the Lord?
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 22, 2014 1:32:39 GMT
I think it is disrespectful, Shiloh. But I tend to like the standard hymns. I hate a lot of music that is in churches these days.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 1:42:31 GMT
But we can't judge someone's heart. I leave that to the Lord. There are many worship songs that I've dozed off on and others that make my heart sing to the Lord.
One thing I can't handle is when women in some churhes I've visited whip out their tambourines and I'm thinking, "Are the snakes next?" Can I judge their heart? No.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 1:42:50 GMT
Hum, it's hard to believe that one was a secular one originally, that's interesting. But I don't find it possibly disrespectful to the Lord, no, when first hearing it. But we also don't know the message that the person that originally wrote the song wanted it to get across. What if a certain song sounds innocent but was about a thing that is sinful in the eyes of the Lord? I start thinking about that and that's why I don't like to take secular songs and apply them in that way.
One of the points in this "No One" song is that no one will be able to get between what these two people have. I could think of Romans 8:38-39 that sends a similar message and that may be why this nun chose this song. However, whoever wrote the song probably meant it regarding a passionate relationship between a man and a woman, and not with this verse or similar thought in mind, so I personally wouldn't feel comfortable applying it in that way. This is just my opinion. |
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 1:52:48 GMT
Which brings me right back to my point. How can we judge that person's motives? I didn't think either one of those songs posted here were being disrespectful toward the Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 2:03:40 GMT
I don't know her, let alone her heart or what her beliefs are exactly, so I can't speak for her motives. But I believe that when a person belongs to the Lord, if He does find something disrespectful, He will call it to their attention eventually. If He doesn't, then it's probably not disrespectful to Him. After all, He works and changes us as we grow. |
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 2:22:16 GMT
I completely agree with that. All I can say is that if I have to hear that old fashioned "Rock of Ages" one more time, I'm going to commit suicide.....lolololol. The tune and slow melody to that song brought on an immediate depression.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 2:55:26 GMT
Hum, I don't think I ever listened to that song... Lol, by the sound of that now I don't know if I should either. |
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Post by shiloh on Mar 22, 2014 15:22:48 GMT
Well, I guess I'm offended and think it's disrespectful to God when Protestant pastors cheat on their wives too. I could name a few of those.
But legalism runs deep, doesn't it?
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But I understand and agree with the point you're trying to make.