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Post by morningstar on Mar 27, 2014 17:35:22 GMT
This topic will always be controversial..That some people actually experience NDE I believe they do, depending on what they claim they've seen and doesn't go against what Scripture says. I've always been skeptical on this issue, and still am but not to the point of denying the possibility, the way I see it there is the spiritual realm that is involved and in which way was this NDE influenced by...for there is always the "Angel of Light" whose sole purpose is to take people away from the Truth of God's Word. I thought I would toss this article/video to get your feedback on this topic...makes for a good discussion I think.
WATCH: After Near-Death, Woman Claims Heavenly Conversation With Jesus
Two believers share their near-death experiences, in which they saw heaven after being clinically dead. A medical doctor who was once very skeptical of these phenomena also discusses why he now thinks they are real.
VIDEO LINK.
Fair Use for Discussion Purposes.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 28, 2014 0:19:55 GMT
I get so tired of these people that try to scientifically and medically explain it all away. You know, I saw a woman doctor who had no faith, was not connected to any religion and she had an NDE. She was either white water rafting or canoeing or something like that. Her knees were actually bent backwards when she broke both her legs after an incident where her and her husband and some friends were on that trip.
I saw her on a talk show and she said, "Anyone that knows me can testify that I had no faith. I have always looked at things from purely the scientific and medical aspect."
Anyway, her experience changed her life and she came right out on an afternoon, secular talkshow and said, "I met Jesus and Jesus is the ONLY way." It changed her life and she started getting into the Word. I'll see if I can find part of the interview and post it here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 1:22:28 GMT
I personally tend to stay away from these kinds of things. I don't mean to offend anyone or claim that none of it is true or that it's impossible, but is there anything in Scripture that suggests a person ever having a near-death experience by going to Heaven or Hell and then back to tell their account? That rich man in Luke 16 that had died couldn't get Lazarus to be sent back to earth to warn his brothers, Abraham even told him that they were already warned by Moses and the prophets.
When a person dies, that should be it, right? (With the exception of course of the resurrections in the Bible, which were to achieve the Lord's will and purposes.) But back to the Luke 16 verses, if it's not about warning anyone about anything, then why would the Lord send a person now back into this world after having died and been in Heaven or Hell? Also, if they never actually died as "near-death" implies, then technically they shouldn't have gone to Heaven or Hell yet.
I don't know, these are just my thoughts on these NDE.
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Post by morningstar on Mar 28, 2014 2:20:14 GMT
Very good thoughts John, that's why I posted this thread, so everyone can weigh in on their own views on the subject, so no one should take offense when someone has a view that differs with their own. You brought up some very good points, like I said this is a very controversial topic.  |
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Post by elizabeth on Mar 28, 2014 2:31:43 GMT
I don't know what I think of this topic. I do think you make an excellent point John. I also have been so put off by NDE reported by people, of all faiths. They are similarly lovely. Very few report experiences that are not pleasant.
Yet, there are some experiences, that seem quite genuine to me. Experiences that turn a person to Christ, for the rest of their lives, those kinds of experiences, I would say are genuine. I don't think these kinds of experiences are the norm.
Shiloh, I've seen that video you wrote about, and it's very good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 10:46:56 GMT
I tend to believe in NDE but not every account of NDE I read. I look to see how it has changed that person's life. If nothing has changed for them, then those I do not trust.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 28, 2014 18:19:39 GMT
rieom, I think you summed that up very well. I'm that way too.
I understand where you're coming from too, Br.John. I don't take all of them as gospel truth and I found some rather creepy, too drawn out with detail....like God saying, "Go into that warehouse" and someone sees limbs and asks what they are about and God says, "These are unclaimed miracles." (for bodily healing) or where someone says we have to go to class to know who our heavenly 'mate' is, etc. HUGE red flags jump out at me with those kind of accounts and they often have way too much detail.
Paul was caught up to the third heaven, but he was forbidden to speak about it ad so, God gave him a thorn in his side to keep him humble.
So, I understand where everyone is coming from on this.
Plus, most of the "prohetesses" and women that make money off of these experiences strike me in an odd way. Not to mention the fact that they wear way too much caked on makeup with blue eyeshadow and heavy eye-liner (lol) They remind me of those women who claim to be clairovoyants/psychics, etc. Same look. Those women just give me the creeps. Well, many of these women that make money off of their books, from their NDE's are the same way and their stories just go on for way to long. Not all are women, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 18:40:07 GMT
It just makes sense that if you experienced a visit to heaven or had a conversation with God, then it would have to change you fundamentally. I tend to believe kids because they are usually honest when something like this would happen.
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Post by shelayne on Mar 29, 2014 4:35:41 GMT
I am extremely skeptical about these things. I also notice that many Christians really get offended when you express skepticism, especially when it comes to children. I have no doubt that children had these experiences; they aren't lying. I just have to wonder WHO they met on this journey. I have been made to feel like a heretic for genuinely questioning if these things are really of God or the "Angel of Light". They don't think the enemy would mess with children? Are they serious?
I would think that any deviation from Scripture would be a huge red flag, as well as anything that contradicts Scripture or God's character. Sadly, a lot of Christians will overlook errant details for the experiential nature of these encounters. It's not about God's Word; it's about feeeeeelings.
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Post by shiloh on Mar 29, 2014 9:51:19 GMT
Shelayne, I got the same reaction and was made to feel like a heretic too. It was from one of my sisters because of the book "Heaven is for Real" (I think that's the name of it) and I was skeptical because some things just weren't scriptural. My sister got real mad at me because I didn't believe the whole account. I saw that little boy (his father is a minister) and he said he couldn't remember a lot. Then, he was on another talk show a couple of years later and basically said, "It's all coming back to me now."
I don't believe it's scriptural that people have wimgs when they go to be with the Lord among many other things that just didn't fit with scripture. Nice story? Yes. Was he coached? I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 10:12:03 GMT
Agreed, Shelayne and Shiloh. Kids would have no reason to lie about these things, but their parents could also tell them to say this and that, for publicity, money, you name it. I don't know. If these people really converted after having these "experiences," then the enemy would have nothing to gain from that either. But if it's not in Scripture, I'm not going to take it as doctrine.
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