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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 13:02:15 GMT
Does anyone know if anyone has actually brought up the fact that the Palestinians have a Jewish heritage and make it well known? In a sense, it is brother fighting against brother only no one acknowledges this fact. I do not suppose it will make a difference but I would like to see how they gloss over this fact.
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Post by morningstar on Apr 3, 2014 14:11:09 GMT
How did you come about that info?...as far as I know the Palestinians are from Bedouin tribes..I'd like to read any info you have on this, that would be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 18:43:33 GMT
I do not remember where I read this but I will try to find that article MS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 14:32:28 GMT
I could not find the article I read. I typically start off at one site and follow links and read and read. I will be honest - my memory is not like it used to be but I will tell you what I think they said.
Abraham was the father of Isaac and Ishmael. Ishmael was his son by a servant woman.
Abraham was Jewish.
Ishmael was the very beginning of Islam through his son Mohammed.
Ishmael was thrown out of Abraham's home with his Mother. His mother was pagan.
People of Jewish faith consider one Jewish through the mother's bloodline.
In contrast, the world recognizes one as Jewish even if it was not through the mother but the father. This is enough for some cultures to want you dead.
At the very least, you have two brothers whose lines started both the Jewish and Islam lineage who to this date hate each as they did in ancient history.
So, to me, Ishmael was part Jewish and all his ancestors have this lineage.
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Post by Benjamin on Apr 8, 2014 3:02:23 GMT
...actually, that's a little bit backward.
Remember when God spoke to Moses? He said "I am the God of your fathers; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."
That's the bloodline from which God's people would come. The descendants of Jacob (who had his name changed to Israel!) are those who are the modern-day Jews.
The term "Jews" actually comes from much later than that - from the point where Israel and Judah were established. That term, "Jews", comes from "Judah", and is used in Scripture either to refer to JUST Judah, or at times, to all of Israel (much like Israel was at times just a reference to the Southern Kingdom, and at other times a reference to the whole nation).
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don't confuse Ishmael with Islam.
Although Muslims claim Ishmael in the Quran, Scripture doesn't suggest that he left the God of his Father. In fact, in Genesis 21, God promises to Hagar, "lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." By Genesis 25, we find that after the death of Ishmael, "His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt... and they lived in hostility toward all their brothers". Things had already gone south. Much like Jacob, Ishmael had 12 sons, which became 12 tribes. Those tribes became what we loosely refer to as "arabs" now.
It is absolutely true that from one of those tribes came Mohammed; however, it's worth remembering that he wasn't born until 600 years after Christ - and the majority of the tribes in the Arab Peninsula were in fact practicing JUDAISM up until that point. This is why, notably, the tribes of the Arab Peninsula were initially so resistant to Mohammed and his teaching - because the two, despite what Hillsong might suggest, are not one and the same, and never were.
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Post by shiloh on Apr 8, 2014 3:22:08 GMT
Yes, God did say he would make Ishmael a great nation.....but you left out what HE said after that...lol.
I read a very good article about this one time. I have to see if I can find it. The title was something like, "Be careful of your Jewish Roots". The title sounds inflammatory but the article is not. There are many who are hung up on their 'roots'. The entire focus is on Jesus and the main point was that it's not about any of our roots.
If someone who is "Palestinian" receives the Lord, Jesus and asks Him into their heart, does it matter? Isn't it that way for all of us?
Why does this have to be so dogmatic? Call me simple, but I don't believe that's what the Lord was trying to convey as far as our salvation. I don't believe His message was to make it that complicated.
We have to be very careful in ways that the law creeps in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 10:09:17 GMT
Good points guys. I stand corrected.
I think that what I can take from this is the awareness of what jealousy and hate produces. In this case, the hate has gone from generation to generation and look at how many lives were lost to hate. Look at what is going on now. It reminds me of the sins of the fathers....
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