Prophecy in the News program today Gihon Springs
May 25, 2018 22:21:16 GMT
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Following are some shorthand notes which I made for myself, to try to get the facts, Friday 25 May 2018, Part II of programs regarding the Temple in City of David.
No doubt I will be filling in some spots, making corrections. I wanted some of these facts in writing, to help me understand all of the research that is underway.
Host Dr. Kevin Clarkson, guests Bob Cornuke and David Seiloff. Mention made of Dr. Ernest Martin's book, published 1994, about this topic. The City of David lies south west of the south wall around the mosques. The City of David area is in the control of Israel. The Jews can't build a temple where the Dome of the Rock mosque and Al Aksa mosque are located or it would incite 1.2 billion Muslims.
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David Seiloff: The Temple was located above and on top of the hill above the Gihon Springs. There's water there and that water is literally propelled up 40 stories into the Temple. There are many, many historical sources, as well as several biblical verses that talk about water inside the Temple -- water bubbling up inside the Temple, and the historical sources go from about 260 B.C. to 1577 A.D., talking about water in the Temple. There is no water at the traditional site in the so-called Temple Mount. There is no running water, no fountain. There is cistern water and there were aqueducts, but the aqueducts did not begin until about 150 B.C. or even perhaps later.
So where did the water came from.... Solomon, and the first temple period? It came from the Gihon Spring. That water did not go a third of a mile north through the Dome of the Rock location. There is no source of water up there. So where did [Romans] get their water... they had 10,000 people there.... 6,000 in a legion and probably 4,000 or so support personnel. They had a vast need for water for their soldiers and the people there. They had to pipe in the water from South Bethlehem and there's two conduits of water, two cisterns of water that came. Now, they put water underneath in systems and people say, 'Well, they had water up on the Temple Mount, and could have been the Temple and worship up there.' They couldn't have done it, because water is in a clay cistern. It is stagnant. You need to have running water to wash the priests.... Joseph says that Aaron was anointed with oil from the press and the running water. And when Solomon was anointed king, he was taken down by mules to the Gihon Spring and the priest anointed him from a horn of oil which was taken from the Tabernacle, a tent. What was in the tent? The Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant was by the Gihon Springs. Why? Because that's the holy ____ in the planet. For God to have His Temple over the threshing floor, over the Gihon Spring, and not on the Temple Mount which is immersed in tradition, and has nothing to suggest it, other than that 'tradition tells me that.'
David Seiloff: The traditional Temple Mount, the functions of it..... actually became the Jews', Israelites', universe. All social functions were categorized through there, all religious functions were done there, the calendar system, the sacrificial system. God's present was in there, as when Solomon after he dedicated it, literally, a cloud came, consumed the sacrifice.
What did Herod do there? That area north served no function at all, until when the Hasmodean built a fortress there to the north, called "The Baras." Then Herod enlarged that, massively, and called it the Fortress Antonia, and he built it according to Roman specifications, and the Romans were the best engineers, especially military engineers, at the time.....
Romans were there over 300 years.
Joseph shows that the Romans looked down on the Temple. When Paul was taken out of the gate and he was almost turn to pieces, the commanders came down the stairs to the gate, that would make it lower than the City of David, and that the ____ was the Roman fortress.... makes sense. History tells us, logic tells us, scripture tells us that the Temple was in the City of David.
David Seiloff: Yes, the escavations have been going on for 20 years, perhaps even longer with no sign of a Herodian Temple there. There wouldn't be, because Jesus said, 'There is no stone upon another.' But there are massive stones and walls that I believe were part of the first Temple. There's nothing about the first temple that Jesus talked about. He was specifically referring to the Herodian Temple, that He was looking at with His disciples.
[regarding escavations, mention was made of 'rings in the walls,' 'press,' scriptural area.]
I Kings 4:38 Zadek has Solomon ride on King David's mule and tok him to Gihon. And then Zadek the priest tok a horn of oil.... from the Tabernacle and anointed Solomon.... steps going down to the Gihon Springs.
Joel 3:18 'A fountain shall flow from the House of the Lord.' There's no water up on the Temple Mount.
B. Cornuck cited Oristes [ sounds like ?Oresteus??].... said there is a .... reservoir of water, as would be expected .... spring gushing up naturally from within the Temple.
Roman historian Tacitus, roughly 400 years after O---, [per wiki, lived c. 56 - 120 AD] reported that the Temple had a natural spring of water that seems from its interior.....
[Couldn't catch the source} 'And its name is Gihon.'
D. Seiloff: "No archaeologist states that there was a spring at the trditional Mount site. None."
The cistern water.... on the so-called temple mount.... there were actually two systems of water, one was the fresh water coming out of the spring inside the Temple, the other system was waste water.... you had to flush the system. And if you don't flush the system, your population is going to die from disease.... aqueducts... they found a Roman theater right up against the Wailing Wall.
Matthew 3:12 His fan is in His hand.... He will thoroughly purge....
D. Seiloff: On the traditional site of the temple, it is actually a peak underneath the Dome of the Rock, which was filled in to form a platform. Just because it is a platform now, it wasn't a platform until 2,000 years ago. Before then it was a peak -- stone rock that Josephus says was 75 feet tell and prominent. It was a threshing floor. ... David bought the land because God told him to.
Video of some deriders of Cornuck and Dr. Ernest Martin's discoveries are shown.
Cornuck mentions his friend, Eli Shukron, Director of Archaeology in the City of Davide, and Cornuck sent a text of material to archaeologist Eli Shukron before the program, and following is part of the response from Shukron: "I am sorry that you are offended by these two people that have their own agenda regarding the Temple Mount and have nothing to do with you or me. Thanks, Eli"
D. Seiloff: I have my own contacts with Eli and I totally concur -- he knows you, he is a friend of yours.
It was mentioned that Eli Shukron is a Tour Guide.
Dr. Ernest Martin's book is available through Amazon: The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot Paperback – February 1, 1994
by Ernest L. Martin (Author) publ. Academy for Scriptural. The book has 27 excellent reviews.
by Ernest L. Martin (Author) publ. Academy for Scriptural. The book has 27 excellent reviews.
